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The Moondancer - Pet Magsorc PVE Build - DB semi-updated

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Dragon Bones update : 

I've added the changes I've adopted with the Dragon Bones update and highlighted them like this. The first change that comes with Dragon Bones is that Off Balance is now capped at 25%, which means that you lose some dps on heavy attacks but also that ranged dds are no longer Off Balance slaves. The second change is that the atro has been buffed a lot and gives sorcerers a nice change from the destro ult. At the moment, I didn't have the opportunity to test thoroughly the changes that I've written here, so keep that in mind.

Introduction

Given the low number of magicka sorcerer DPS builds made by people that actually play magsorc as their main character in trials, I decided to write my own build. It could also be called "the stupidest rotation that still makes awesome dps - build", but I think Moondancer sounds a bit more professional :D. This build is specifically made for group content - trial or dungeons -, but it can be adapted for solo content as well like vMA. It is not a crazy original build, but it works well, and it is very beginner friendly. Thanks to all my friends from Ordo for supporting me, in particular to the Phlebotomizers, and a special mention goes to Yasin and Arthas who taught me how to play magsorc :), and also to Noise and Poty for all the testings ! This build will be organized as follow :

1. Race

2. Attributes

3. Food and Potions

4. Mundus

5. Gear

6. Champion Points

7. Passives

8. Skills

9. Stats

10. Rotation

11. Parses 

1. Race

 Magsorcs still do a lot of shock damage, so in my opinion High elf is the best choice. Second would be Dark elf, third Breton.

 

2. Attributes

64 points in magicka.

 

3. Food and Potions

We'll be using max magicka and max health blue food, and spell power potions (Lady's smock, Corn Flower, Water Hyacinth), to get major prophecy on both bars and major sorcery. Make sure to have three points in the alchemist passive "Medicinal use" to get 100% on those two buffs.

Potion.

 

4. Mundus

According to my calculations, the thief is still the best choice for pet magicka sorcerer, the reason being that our pet deals a significant part of our damage and is not affected by spell damage. The apprentice or the mage are still very close and good choices. If you play mostly solo or if your team doesn't get good debuffs uptimes, the lover is also a viable option.

 

5. Gear

 

Magsorc gear.

According to my testings, the BiS gear is :

  • 5 Necropotence pieces (drops in Rivenspire).

Necropotence.

  • 2  Ilambris  head and shoulders, in heavy and medium (drops in Crypt of Hearts I and undaunted chests).

Ilambris.

  • 3 Moondancer jewels (drops in Maw of Lorkhaj) and 1 Moondancer lightning staff, infused, with fire enchantment (drops in Maw of Lorkhaj).

Moondancer.

  • 1 Maelstrom fire staff, infused, with berserker enchantment (drops in veteran Maelstrom Arena). With Dragon Bones, you don't have to apply off-balance anymore and fire blockade provides more dps. 

A few notes on the traits and enchantments :

  • My calculations show that as of this patch, running the thief Mundus, infused max magicka is better than divines on big pieces, hence the choice of traits. If you choose to run the mage, the same is true. If you choose to run the apprentice, divines is marginally better than infused if you get minor and major sorcery in your group.
  • You want to run 5/1/1 (Light/Heavy/Medium) for the Undaunted Mettle passive.
  • Infused main hand is a classic for this patch, the fire enchant is very strong because it procs burning but also fire Ilambris. If you play solo, a shock enchant provides more off-balance and minor vulnerability and hence more damage.
  • For the off hand, you want to run a lightning staff to provide your group with off-balance. I choose to run infused on it and a berserker enchant for several reasons : first off, we spend only <1s on the back bar (except during execute), so any other trait wouldn't be great, while the infused trait provides more spell damage on the front bar. Second, given that we go back bar only every ~8s, and that the cooldown of a non-infused berserker is 10s, we would lose a big uptime on this enchantment without infused as it would not be procced every rotation. In practice, in trial, with a bit of lag and mechanics to do, you wouldn't lose that much running with another trait.
  • Quick point : infused vs nirnhoned on backbar ? I saw a lot of people running nirnhoned on their backbar, but according to my calculations, when running a berserker enchant, infused is better. Indeed, if you were to spend all your time on back bar, infused would provide with more spell damage on average because of the lower cooldown of the berserker enchant. As soon as you don't spend all your time on your backbar, infused becomes more potent as it provides more spell damage on your front bar. The other points explained above are also valid of course.
  • Mechanical Acuity ? This set has become quite popular at the end of last patch, with insane parses done with acuity. For this pet magsorc rotation, I didn't find it that good, and it gave me lower dps than Necropotence+md. The reason for that is that acuity is a bursty set, and this rotation is really not. :) If you decide to give it a try, make sure to use another mundus as acuity becomes better when your critical rate is lower.

Alternative gear :

  • The Infallible Mage set can be used as a replacement for the Moondancer. My calculations show it's slightly less good using the thief, but both sets are very close. Both sets can be farmed in normal trials, blue jewels don't make you lose that much damage.
  • The Law of Julianos set is a craftable set that could also be used instead of one of the previous sets. You will need to use Necropotence jewels if you choose this option.
  • The Maelstrom  staff makes our heavy attacks extremely potent, as it buffs all the ticks. If you do not possess one, I strongly encourage you to try and complete the Maelstrom Arena : give it a few hours regularly, and you'll be able to finish :D ! As an alternative, you can use a second Moondancer staff (infused, berserker enchant), or Infaillible mage, or Julianos. Be aware that it will make you lose a significant amount of damage.

 

6. Champion Points

Keep in mind that green and red champion points should be adapted to what you are doing. For your blue champion points, the number of points in spell erosion will depend on your team and the uptime you have on penetration debuffs. The rest of my blue CPs have been determined using the awesome Constellations addon by Decay2, on fights such as Zhaj'hassa the Forgotten and Rakkhat.

Green tree :

Arcanist 75

Tenacity 75

Warlord 31

Shadow Ward 26

Tumbling 23

Red tree :

Ironclad 66

Thick Skinned 56

Elemental Defender 49

Hardy 43

Spell Shield 16

Blue tree : 

Thaumaturge 75 (Even with the off balance nerf, after testing, it still seems that 75 thaumaturge is worth it if you can set off balance the boss, cause we have a lot of DoTs anyway)

Elemental expert 49

Elfborn 48

Spell erosion 37

Master-at-arms 28

Staff expert 3

 

7. Passives

For this build, the following passives are essential (of course, it's good to have all the passives from at least the three sorcerer skill lines ...) :

  • Daedric Summoning : Rebate II, Daedric Protection II, Expert Summoner II.
  • Dark Magic : Unholy knowledge II.
  • Storm Calling : Capacitor II, Energized II, Implosion II, Expert Mage II.
  • Destruction Staff : Trifocus II, Penetrating Magic II, Elemental Force II, Ancient Knowledge II, Destruction Expert II.
  • Light Armor : Recovery III, Evocation II, Spell Warding II, Prodigy II, Concentration II.
  • Fighter's guild : Banish the wicked III.
  • Mage's guild : Magicka Controller II, Might of the guild II.
  • Undaunted : Undaunted Command II, Undaunted Mettle II.
  • All your racial passives.
  • Alchemy : Medicinal Use III.

Vampire ?   Being a vampire stage two gives you 10% increase in magicka regen, which is always a nice bonus but is not really needed for this build as you pretty much have infinite sustain. I personally dislike the look of vampirism, but be one if you want to be :D!

 

8. Skills

Skill bars.

Front bar (Moondancer lightning staff, infused with fire enchant):

  • Bound Aegis : Minor ward/resolve (which is given by combat prayer already, but always nice), and 8% max magicka, so a really great boost.
  • Daedric Prey : A nice damage skill with delay, but the important part is that it will boost your pet damage by 50% while active.
  • Volatile Familiar : Your mighty pet ! Produce nice damage in single target and AOE fights, with a tick every 2s.
  • Liquid lightning : One of our main source of damage, high damage AOE. Be careful that its radius isn't so big, so it must be positionned adequately.
  • Inner Light  : 5% max magicka (and an extra 2% with Magicka Controller II), and Major Prophecy (which isn't really needed if you use spell power potions).
  • ULTIMATE : Elemental rage. You need it on front bar to enjoy all the passives from your destruction staff. One of the most powerful ultimate in the game, insane damage and a very large AOE, which makes it imo the best choice for trash fights but also for boss fights if the boss is not perfectly static (that the major part of bosses ...).

 

Back bar (Maelstrom lightning staff, infused with berserker enchant):

  • Bound Aegis : This is a toggle, so you must have it on both bar.
  • Empowered ward : What gives the magsorc a high survivability. Not only is it a strong ward, but it also gives 10% extra magicka recovery to you (which is not so useful) and to allies (which is cool for them), but for me the most important part for me is that it lasts 10s, which makes it possible, if the situation requires it, to cast it once per rotation and keep it up 100%.
  • Volatile Familiar : This is a toggle, so you must have it on both bar.
  • Elemental blockade : Strong AOE dot as well, must be up 100% to enjoy the insane crushing wall bonus from our Maelstrom as well. Fire blockade does 20% more dps to burning enemies, so it will be more potent than blockade of storms.
  • Mage' wrath/ Endless Fury : Our execute, which isn't as powerful as impale but still nice damage. Strictly speaking, Mage's Wrath is more damage. However, I run with endless fury cause it's better for solo PVE (and in particular in vMA) and I'm too lazy to remorph it.
  • ULTIMATE : Greater storm atronach. With Dragon Bones, the atronach has been buffed cause it now scales with your max stats, and now provides awesome single target as well as a nice major berserk for the teammates who can use the synergy. You want to use this morph as the longer duration brings better single target damage. On burst situations, or on fights with a lot of adds, the destro ult is still preferable.

 

Solo option : when running solo (in vMA for example), I remplace inner light by endless fury on front bar, and put surge on back bar.

 

9. Stats

Here are my stats, unbuffed, on front bar. The screenshot isn't updated at the moment :D.

Superstar magsorc.

 

10. Rotation

 The rotation : (la is light attack, ha heavy)

 (Activate pet, make sure your potion is up, cast ELEMENTALE RAGE) LIQUID LIGHTNING >(swap)> la > ELEMENTAL BLOCKADE >(swap)> ha > DAEDRIC PREY > la > VOLATILE FAMILIAR > ha > Restart.

 During execute :

  LIQUID LIGHTNING >(swap)> la > ELEMENTAL BLOCKADE > (la > MAGE'S WRATH) x4 >(swap)  > DAEDRIC PREY > la > VOLATILE FAMILIAR > Restart.

 

A few remarks :

  • Liquid lightning is on front bar, which is a bit unusual. The reasons for these are that first, its animation is a bit long, and with this rotation you can just swap cancel it easily. Second, with this rotation, we spend the major part of the fight (that is, apart from the execute) on our frontbar on which we have more spell damage, more magicka, and the fire enchantment. It is, however, a bit awkward to heavy attack before LL as you can't "queue" it the same way other skills usually do. My trick for that is that I wait till my character lifts up her staff at the end of the heavy attack, then stop pressing left click and cast LL.
  • When you swap to back bar, make sure to never miss the light attack before casting elemental blockade, as otherwise you won't proc berserker.
  • With this rotation, you should have plenty of magicka when you reach execute, hence you should be able to do the execute rotation without any heavy attacks. If it's not the case, say you had to ward a lot before, just cast 2 times endless fury, then swap back front bar, heavy attack, and continue.
  • If this rotation is done well, you should recast the pet just after it runs out and hence get two ticks of the pet almost at the same time : this is why I prefer casting prey before the pet, so that this double tick is buffed.

 

11. Parses (not updated)

On all the parses below, CPs are the same as above, that is, my trial CPs, no extra point in penetration, no lover. The parses on skeleton are averaged parses, the uptimes on off-balance and minor vulnerability are not extra lucky.

3m dummy parse, self buffed, self draining with elemental susceptibility.

3m parse.

6m dummy parse, self buffed, self draining with elemental susceptibility. (The sustain from ele drain is not needed even on the bigger dummy :))

3m parse.

Ra Kotu, with minor force.

Ra Kotu parse.

The warrior without hm (special thanks to Poty and Arthas for this awesome minor berserk uptime <3).

The warrior parse.

I will eventually add more parses.

Conclusion and outlooks

I hope this build has been helpful to you. I am currently working on a nonpet build for the fights in which our pet isn't suitable (vAA the Mage, vAS), that I will post either here or in a separate post. If you have questions, feel free to ask :)!

About Tabatta:

Aelynia High elf Magsorc (DC), Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen Breton Healplar (AD), Shadowbinder Khajiit Stamdk (AD), Aemma Blackfyre Imperial Warden tank (AD), Saerenaï High elf Magblade (AD), Amaelia by the Shadow Breton Magden (AD)

Core healer in Ordo and Arkadium. (EU)

38 Replies
  1. #21

    Latin

    Moderator1307 Posts
    Valrien wrote on March 13, 2018

    I'm just coming back to the game and thus my info isn't really all that up-to-date. Are Sorcerers just not running Force Pulse anymore? Is there no time in the rotation to use it or something?

     You can still use Force Pulse. It works very well with the (Perfected) Asylum destruction staff, 40k+ self buff is possible.

    Heavy attacks just helps a lot with sustain. Not running Force Pulse/Crystal Frag can also save a slot or two, which could then allow you to slot another toggled skill if you wish.

    e pluribus unum

  2. #22

    Valrien

    Member785 Posts
    Latin wrote on March 14, 2018
    Valrien wrote on March 13, 2018

    I'm just coming back to the game and thus my info isn't really all that up-to-date. Are Sorcerers just not running Force Pulse anymore? Is there no time in the rotation to use it or something?

     You can still use Force Pulse. It works very well with the (Perfected) Asylum destruction staff, 40k+ self buff is possible.

    Heavy attacks just helps a lot with sustain. Not running Force Pulse/Crystal Frag can also save a slot or two, which could then allow you to slot another toggled skill if you wish.

     What's the DPS difference without a Perfect staff and does the sustain really matter that much?

    I was mainly going off of Yolo's relatively old build of:

    1. Force Pulse, Frags, Wrath, Volatile Familiar, Inner Light, Elemental Fury

    2. Liquid Lightning, Elemental Blockade, Daedric Prey, Volatile Familiar, Empowered Ward, Greater Storm Atro (maybe?)

    Characters: Valrien Dravic (Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer)

    Scores: vMA (499,956) (Probably Null Now)

  3. #23

    Latin

    Moderator1307 Posts
    Valrien wrote on March 14, 2018

    What's the DPS difference without a Perfect staff and does the sustain really matter that much?

    Just from my experience, 3-4k depending on the sustain/length of combat event.

    I guess it's great that you aren't having issues with sustain. But for people who play with non-optimised groups, it would matter more.

    e pluribus unum

  4. #24

    Valrien

    Member785 Posts
    Latin wrote on March 15, 2018
    Valrien wrote on March 14, 2018

    What's the DPS difference without a Perfect staff and does the sustain really matter that much?

    Just from my experience, 3-4k depending on the sustain/length of combat event.

    I guess it's great that you aren't having issues with sustain. But for people who play with non-optimised groups, it would matter more.

     I'm not playing right now. Legitimately asking if the sustain matters since it never used to.

    Characters: Valrien Dravic (Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer)

    Scores: vMA (499,956) (Probably Null Now)

  5. #25

    Latin

    Moderator1307 Posts
    Valrien wrote on March 15, 2018

    I'm not playing right now. Legitimately asking if the sustain matters since it never used to.

    Yes, it matters now, because of several changes like the removal of the cost reduction CP passives and using a common cooldown between shard and orb synergies. The degree of difference depends on the group coordination.

    e pluribus unum

  6. #26

    tkviking2

    Member214 Posts

    In your description, you mention the Maelstrom fire staff. Yet, your parses show you using blockade of storms. Do you have a parse with the fire staff too or was that an error?

    Also, did you try running the Twilight instead of Bound Aegis?

    Thief is a very interesting idea... hmm.. have to try that out...

  7. #27

    Valrien

    Member785 Posts
    Latin wrote on March 15, 2018
    Valrien wrote on March 15, 2018

    I'm not playing right now. Legitimately asking if the sustain matters since it never used to.

    Yes, it matters now, because of several changes like the removal of the cost reduction CP passives and using a common cooldown between shard and orb synergies. The degree of difference depends on the group coordination.

    Really? Kinda blows that they nerfed sustainability so much.

    Once I get my PC setup I guess I'll try a few different bar sets and see what's best for me in terms of sustain.

    Out of curiosity what's the synergy cooldown?

    Characters: Valrien Dravic (Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer)

    Scores: vMA (499,956) (Probably Null Now)

  8. #28

    Tabatta

    Member54 Posts

    @Valrien Yes, force pulse and cfrags can be use in a pet build but the sustain is quite harsh. Synergy cooldown is 20s. I've started using a different rotation lately, without pet, and you can actually sustain force pulse/frags with that one (given that pet and curse are really expensive and you don't have to use them anymore). The advantage of the rotation I presented in this build is that your sustain is pretty much infinite, so doesn't matter if your healers are not giving synergies or not applying drain consistently or if your fight lasts 10min cause everyone died or if you have to shield 20 times :D. I still think it's a strong rotation, especially if you have high pings or low fps and you struggle with light attack rotations. @tkviking2 The parses in the build are not uptodate D: this is why they still show lightning blockade. Unfortunately (or not :3) I started maining as a healer lately, so I don't have that many occasions do to nice parses. Moreover, like I said above, I started testing a different rotation without pet that gives me actually stronger results than with pet. The matriarch is actually quite strong, but it is very fragile and dies a lot (really a lot), that's why most high end sorcerer builds don't use it :).

  9. #29

    Valrien

    Member785 Posts
    Tabatta wrote on March 19, 2018

    @Valrien Yes, force pulse and cfrags can be use in a pet build but the sustain is quite harsh. Synergy cooldown is 20s. I've started using a different rotation lately, without pet, and you can actually sustain force pulse/frags with that one (given that pet and curse are really expensive and you don't have to use them anymore). The advantage of the rotation I presented in this build is that your sustain is pretty much infinite, so doesn't matter if your healers are not giving synergies or not applying drain consistently or if your fight lasts 10min cause everyone died or if you have to shield 20 times :D. I still think it's a strong rotation, especially if you have high pings or low fps and you struggle with light attack rotations. @tkviking2 The parses in the build are not uptodate D: this is why they still show lightning blockade. Unfortunately (or not :3) I started maining as a healer lately, so I don't have that many occasions do to nice parses. Moreover, like I said above, I started testing a different rotation without pet that gives me actually stronger results than with pet. The matriarch is actually quite strong, but it is very fragile and dies a lot (really a lot), that's why most high end sorcerer builds don't use it :).

     If I consistently run with my own healer (e.g., girlfriend plays a healer and I know she'll be good) which would you say is, overall, the better type of build for DPS?

    Characters: Valrien Dravic (Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer)

    Scores: vMA (499,956) (Probably Null Now)

  10. #30

    Latin

    Moderator1307 Posts
    Valrien wrote on March 16, 2018

    Out of curiosity what's the synergy cooldown?

    There is a 1 s cooldown between different synergies, and 20 s cooldown for the same synergy. Also, as I said earlier, Shard and Orbs share the same cooldown now.

    On the upside though, synergy activation is a lot more responsive now than it was.

    e pluribus unum

  11. #31

    Tabatta

    Member54 Posts

    @Valrien I've been getting better results than I ever had with the non pet build I'm currently using, so if you can sustain it and if you have trust in your healer I would recommand that indeed:). I will try to motivate myself and write the said build later :D.

  12. #32

    Jadax

    Member13 Posts
    Tabatta wrote on March 19, 2018

    @Valrien I've been getting better results than I ever had with the non pet build I'm currently using, so if you can sustain it and if you have trust in your healer I would recommand that indeed:). I will try to motivate myself and write the said build later :D.

     Have you been getting better results with non-pet or pet? 

    Also, very nice guide will try it out tonight. 

  13. #33

    Valrien

    Member785 Posts
    Jadax wrote on March 21, 2018
    Tabatta wrote on March 19, 2018

    @Valrien I've been getting better results than I ever had with the non pet build I'm currently using, so if you can sustain it and if you have trust in your healer I would recommand that indeed:). I will try to motivate myself and write the said build later :D.

     Have you been getting better results with non-pet or pet? 

    Also, very nice guide will try it out tonight. 

     I interpreted what he said has he's getting more DPS out of the non-pet build, but only if your healer can feed you Magicka

    Characters: Valrien Dravic (Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer)

    Scores: vMA (499,956) (Probably Null Now)

  14. #34

    tkviking2

    Member214 Posts

    Interesting. I haven't found the twilight to be that fragile. Works fine for me in all the Craglorn trials (it can even help out in the Mage fight without messing up lightning). Pretty much never see it die. HOF and AA - different story. I really want to try out a non pet build for those. I struggle with the pulse / frag rotation though - my reflexes just aren't what they used to be..

    The Thief works really well by the way - much better than the mage and apprentice. Good call!

  15. #35

    Tabatta

    Member54 Posts

    @Jadax Indeed, I get better results on non-pet build :). 

    @tkviking2 Hmmm I recall the twilight dying constantly in SO, but I haven't used it for a long time tbh. Playing without pet is so much freedom :3 ! Glad you have nice results with Thief !

  16. #36

    Jadax

    Member13 Posts
    Tabatta wrote on March 21, 2018

    @Jadax Indeed, I get better results on non-pet build :). 

     Then definitely post it when you can :P 

    I like pet builds myself, but they are not great in some trials which means I have to then switch to a different class. I'd definitely try a non-pet build. 

  17. #37

    Tabatta

    Member54 Posts
  18. #38

    Jadax

    Member13 Posts
    Tabatta wrote on March 22, 2018

    @Jadax Done :) http://tabatta.eu/sanctified-fire-magsorc-nonpet/

     Nice :) Didn't get a chance to reply till now, but looks great. Will test out tonight. 

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