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Penetration Values

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Ladies and Gents,

With the upcoming HotR changes to various traits, it will be more important than ever to consider the role that penetration plays in DPS builds.  I have compiled here a list of the various sets and how much penetration they currently provide.  I will be updating this as new sets become available, and as Mundus Stones and weapon traits becomes balanced.

 

Physical & Spell Penetration

Base Penetration: 100

Major Fracture/Breach: 5280

Lover Mundus 7 Divines: 4196

Alkosh x5: 3010

2H Sharpened Trait OR Lover Mundus (0 Divines): 2752

Infused & Torug's Crusher Enchant: 2740

Infused or Torug's Crusher Enchant: 2108

Crusher Enchant: 1622

1H Sharpened Trait: 1376

Minor Fracture/Breach: 1320

 

Physical Penetration Only

Twice-Fanged x5: 4300 (when 5 stacks applied)

Spriggan x5: 3450

Sunderflame x5: 3440

Night Mother's Gaze x5: 2580

Kra'gh x1: 1487

 

Spell Penetration Only

Concentration Passive: 4884

Spinner's x5: 3450

Flame Blossom x4: 1487

 

All dungeon enemies and bosses have 18.2k resistances, so plan accordingly!

 

Happy Gaming,

Duck

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37 Replies
  1. #1

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts

    I stickied this for everyone's edification... may the odds be ever in the favor of research before asking the question over and over again in every thread :P

  2. #2

    Duckbutta

    Member243 Posts

    Thank you, as you can imagine, that was the impetus for me writing this, I feel as though this question has been brought up far too many times lol.

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  3. #3

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts

    Along with "TBS or hundings?" And "skoria or kena?" And "khajiit or redguard?!" And "altmer or dunmer?" And "wrecking blow or surprise attack?" / "killers blade or executioner?"

    the power of google be with us all...

  4. #4

    Invellous

    Member192 Posts

    *Bows his head in respect.* 

    Farewell Precise, you served us well for so long. You have more than earned a good long rest, my friend. May you walk forever upon the sands beyond the stars, friend. Bright moons guide you along your final journey.

     

    So penetration is the way to go now, eh?

  5. #5

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts
    Invellous wrote on September 19, 2016

    *Bows his head in respect.*

    Farewell Precise, you served us well for so long. You have more than earned a good long rest, my friend. May you walk forever upon the sands beyond the stars, friend. Bright moons guide you along your final journey.

    So penetration is the way to go now, eh?

    And if dw, double penetration!

  6. #6

    CasNation

    Moderator977 Posts

    While I completely agree with you that sharpened is pretty much always better, they ARE adding several sets that provide additional penetration in One Tamriel that might make it easier to hit that 18.2k. Now will those sets be better than what we have? Eh, IDK. Just for the sake of completion I thought I would mention them.

  7. #7

    FrancisCrawford

    Contributor3062 Posts

    Two thoughts:

    • When there's One Best Way For Everybody, a nerf often ensues.
    • There are things that proc off of crits. (Yeah, my main is a sorcerer.)

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  8. #8

    FrancisCrawford

    Contributor3062 Posts

    Also:

    • What about healers? :)
    • What about PvP?

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  9. #9

    Duckbutta

    Member243 Posts
    CasNation wrote on September 19, 2016

    While I completely agree with you that sharpened is pretty much always better, they ARE adding several sets that provide additional penetration in One Tamriel that might make it easier to hit that 18.2k. Now will those sets be better than what we have? Eh, IDK. Just for the sake of completion I thought I would mention them.

    Kra'gh will likely be BiS for stam builds; having more sets with penetration will be desirable as it will still not be possible to reach total penetration on mobs, all of whom will now have formidable resistance.  Thus, you will want to stack as much penetration as possible to down mobs faster, and if you can get it from new sets in One Tamriel, all the better.

    FrancisCrawford wrote on September 19, 2016

    Also:

    • What about healers?
    • What about PvP?

    This thread was intended for PvE dps as that is when this question is always brought up.  To answer your questions though, for healers you want your resto staff to have precise and for PvP I really have no idea what is optimal in what situations since I'm a carebear, but I would venture to guess that you will often want sharpened.

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  10. #10

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts

    Yeah in pvp you have the trend nowadays toward turtle dps in black rose shit for the broken 5 piece constitution bonus proc, so sharpened is the only way to go.  And no one has time or gear setups to focus on reducing resistances in pvp... you have like 2-10 seconds to win a 1v1 anyway, so nothing beyond a single debuff is going to happen, if that.  Hence sharpened will always be the best choice, even for gankers.  Unless you are a NB ganker... then you can 100% crit people on horses like a dick using shadowy disguise... so precise for the crit damage boost could be argued as nice to have... but really, sharpened is still going to be competitive or better with all the impenetrable gear people are wearing.  Nirn just doesnt cut it.

  11. #11

    Jeckll

    Contributor2439 Posts

    I think the chances to reduce a mobs resistance to 0 is far more real for Magicka DPS than it sounds like here.

    • 5280 Major Breech
    • 1320 Minor Breech
    • 1946 Infused Crusher
    • 3010 Alkosh
    • 4884 Light Armor Passiv Concentration

    = 16400 Spell Penetration without Sharpened.

    At least for Dual Wield Magicka, that already points into 1 sword sharpened, 1 precise in raids.

    As you get less than 50% from a Sharpened staff in this condition (especially considering the 10% Penetration passive with Destruction Staff abilities), chances are a Precise Staff is also more benefical in that case. Not going to do the complete math for you lovely magicka people, just something I thought of.

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  12. #12

    FrancisCrawford

    Contributor3062 Posts
    Jeckll wrote on September 22, 2016

    I think the chances to reduce a mobs resistance to 0 is far more real for Magicka DPS than it sounds like here.

    • 5280 Major Breech
    • 1320 Minor Breech
    • 1946 Infused Crusher
    • 3010 Alkosh
    • 4884 Light Armor Passiv Concentration

    = 16400 Spell Penetration without Sharpened.

    At least for Dual Wield Magicka, that already points into 1 sword sharpened, 1 precise in raids.

    As you get less than 50% from a Sharpened staff in this condition (especially considering the 10% Penetration passive with Destruction Staff abilities), chances are a Precise Staff is also more benefical in that case. Not going to do the complete math for you lovely magicka people, just something I thought of.

    I'm sorry. What is Infused Crusher? Crusher sounds like a weapon enchantment, but then it wouldn't be infused, as we're talking about other traits.

    Also, why Crusher over power/rage/weapon damage or whatever it's called?

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  13. #13

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts
    FrancisCrawford wrote on September 22, 2016

    Jeckll said on September 22, 2016 :

    I think the chances to reduce a mobs resistance to 0 is far more real for Magicka DPS than it sounds like here.

    • 5280 Major Breech
    • 1320 Minor Breech
    • 1946 Infused Crusher
    • 3010 Alkosh
    • 4884 Light Armor Passiv Concentration

    = 16400 Spell Penetration without Sharpened.

    At least for Dual Wield Magicka, that already points into 1 sword sharpened, 1 precise in raids.

    As you get less than 50% from a Sharpened staff in this condition (especially considering the 10% Penetration passive with Destruction Staff abilities), chances are a Precise Staff is also more benefical in that case. Not going to do the complete math for you lovely magicka people, just something I thought of.

    I’m sorry. What is Infused Crusher? Crusher sounds like a weapon enchantment, but then it wouldn’t be infused, as we’re talking about other traits.

    Also, why Crusher over power/rage/weapon damage or whatever it’s called?

    Tanks typically will run crusher on an infused 1h to defbuff bosses for the whole group - high endgame vet trials strategy.

  14. #14

    Nosferatuzod

    Member2010 Posts
    FrancisCrawford wrote on September 22, 2016

    Jeckll said on September 22, 2016 :

    I think the chances to reduce a mobs resistance to 0 is far more real for Magicka DPS than it sounds like here.

    • 5280 Major Breech
    • 1320 Minor Breech
    • 1946 Infused Crusher
    • 3010 Alkosh
    • 4884 Light Armor Passiv Concentration

    = 16400 Spell Penetration without Sharpened.

    At least for Dual Wield Magicka, that already points into 1 sword sharpened, 1 precise in raids.

    As you get less than 50% from a Sharpened staff in this condition (especially considering the 10% Penetration passive with Destruction Staff abilities), chances are a Precise Staff is also more benefical in that case. Not going to do the complete math for you lovely magicka people, just something I thought of.

    I’m sorry. What is Infused Crusher? Crusher sounds like a weapon enchantment, but then it wouldn’t be infused, as we’re talking about other traits.

    Also, why Crusher over power/rage/weapon damage or whatever it’s called?

    Crusher is a weapon enchantmentioned. It is infused because the tank runs it. Which is why it's the BiS enchantmentioned for a tank weapon.

    Sharpened is indeed BiS. For both Magicka and Stamina. There are like 5 guilds in the game that can get any decent uptime on Alkosh and even those guilds don't have it up 100% of the time. So I wouldn't count on it. Sunder is an option for stam dps, but thereally are better options available.

  15. #15

    Jeckll

    Contributor2439 Posts
    FrancisCrawford wrote on September 22, 2016

    Jeckll said on September 22, 2016 :

    I think the chances to reduce a mobs resistance to 0 is far more real for Magicka DPS than it sounds like here.

    • 5280 Major Breech
    • 1320 Minor Breech
    • 1946 Infused Crusher
    • 3010 Alkosh
    • 4884 Light Armor Passiv Concentration

    = 16400 Spell Penetration without Sharpened.

    At least for Dual Wield Magicka, that already points into 1 sword sharpened, 1 precise in raids.

    As you get less than 50% from a Sharpened staff in this condition (especially considering the 10% Penetration passive with Destruction Staff abilities), chances are a Precise Staff is also more benefical in that case. Not going to do the complete math for you lovely magicka people, just something I thought of.

    I’m sorry. What is Infused Crusher? Crusher sounds like a weapon enchantment, but then it wouldn’t be infused, as we’re talking about other traits.

    Also, why Crusher over power/rage/weapon damage or whatever it’s called?

    As @mrowmrif2 stated, another player (tank, offtank) is using the crushing glyph with a infused weapon to debuff the target. Its a armor reduction mechanic that works for the qhole group so you dont have to run it yourself.

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  16. #16

    FrancisCrawford

    Contributor3062 Posts

    Thanks, guys!

    I sometimes overlook obvious points about group play. :)

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  17. #17

    shadesofkin

    Member256 Posts

    Ugh, I don't want to farm for a sharp staff

    I literally hate farming.

    Bleh. Im going to have to farm.

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  18. #18

    Lexifer452

    Member47 Posts

    Well if the new itemization changes from the patch notes that are what they sound like then farming gear should be considerably less monotonous/time-intensive.  Certainly more efficient I would think.  Really wanna try out quite a few of these new sets in combination with each other as well as existing sets.  Seeing a lot of 5 piece bonuses like 400 sp dmg to flame abilities/destruction abilities/etc for stam and magicka sets as well as a few plus whatever amount of physical penetration/ critical chance/etc.  and amazingly a lot of these new sets have 2/3/4 piece bonuses that support the build type, ie not putting weapon crit on clearly magicka based set type and what not. should be interesting at the very least.

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  19. #19

    timidobserver

    Member693 Posts

    As usual no specifics, but Wrobel did acknowledge the issue in the AMA when I asked about it and he stated that they do have some plans to improve the less popular traits.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/welcome_to_the_one_tamriel_eso_ama/d7zdmqn

  20. #20

    Latin

    Moderator1307 Posts
    timidobserver wrote on September 24, 2016

    As usual no specifics, but Wrobel did acknowledge the issue in the AMA when I asked about it and he stated that they do have some plans to improve the less popular traits.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/welcome_to_the_one_tamriel_eso_ama/d7zdmqn

    Thanks for highlighting this.

    I assume it means that the currently popular traits will be left as they are; if so, there is a substantial gap to close in power discrepancy from the revised traits.

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