Tamriel Foundry

Need some wisdom from vet magicka dk players.

Ok so my build is this currently

 

64 health

 

22k hp

20k mag (all enchants)

2k regen (drink)

10k stam

20k spell defense

15k physical defense

3300 crit resist

3k spell damage (rattlecage)

 

Here's my issue.

I'm running this

Torag sword

Torag sword

 

Kena helm

Rattle chest

Kena shoulder

Rattle gloves

Rattle greaves

Rattle boots

Rattle belt

Willpower jewelry

 

I like rattle cause of it giving 300 extra spell damage and opening a slot. But everyone is telling me that DW is inferior to destroy staff. I gain about 400 from the set bonus and 2nd weapon with DW. But I aparently could do more overall damage with destro. Also it would be easier to proc kena.

 

So I guess my question is this. Is destro better in my circumstance. Will the 400 spell damage loss be ok?

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  1. #1

    YourACasul

    Member36 Posts

    Oh forgot to mention that my weapons are purple and gear is blue except kena which is gold.

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  2. #2

    CasNation

    Moderator977 Posts

    You should absolutely run destro staff. A respectable part of your damage is weaving, which will be crap on a mag build with stam weapons.

    Spell damage isn't everything. In an organized for up crit is a much more powerful damage modifier. There are still a few magicka builds where DW is okay (templars) but generally for DK you will want the destro staff for the ult and blockade of elements. Also the passives are way better.

  3. #3

    YourACasul

    Member36 Posts
    CasNation wrote on March 8, 2017

    You should absolutely run destro staff. A respectable part of your damage is weaving, which will be crap on a mag build with stam weapons.

    Spell damage isn’t everything. In an organized for up crit is a much more powerful damage modifier. There are still a few magicka builds where DW is okay (templars) but generally for DK you will want the destro staff for the ult and blockade of elements. Also the passives are way better.

    I use shooting star cause it's more reliable imo. But having access to the destro ult would be nice. Hmm. So would you say I run a precise staff with theif mundus. That should put me around 50%

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  4. #4

    CasNation

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    Shooting star is also excellent, and if you prefer it that is no problem. However the weaving damage, blockade of elements, and the passives are the big parts.

    As for the staff, go sharpened over precise. While crit is very good, sharpened outperforms precise by a wide margin. I should adjust my earlier statement to say that crit AND penetration are generally better than spell damage in group content.

    Also, put your attribute points into magicka. Your magicka should be more like 35k, not 20k. You can also afford to lower your regen by about half.

    Personally, I would change most of your gear sets to something else, as well, but that is up to you.

  5. #5

    YourACasul

    Member36 Posts

    Ok I got a staff and once I get it too gold with theif mundus in at 50% crit. Is it worth lowering too 42? And getting sharpened?

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  6. #6

    mrowmrif2

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    This smells like a pvp build if you are running heavy... otherwise why wiuldnt you run light?  You can get the same bonus from slotting a skill or even drinking a spell power potion (spell damage and crit)... rattlecage is like a soloing open world set so you can be lazy.

    if you are in pve group dungeons i wluld be tunning 5 julianos and 7 light.  If it is pvp, i would do 5 julianos (heavy) + 5 spinners.

    i would also lose the kena regardless (sorry that you golded them)... way too big of negative impact to sustain keeping kena up, and definitely going to feel it with destro because it will be active way more than you had it up on dw.  You will definitely run out of mag fast.  Grothdarr is really great.

    i would consider if you are married to rattlecage running 3 rattlecage jewelry, 2 armor... then run crafted julianos 5 piece and just a kena shoulder for more spell damage on the one piece.

  7. #7

    CasNation

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    mrowmrif2 wrote on March 8, 2017

    This smells like a pvp build if you are running heavy… otherwise why wiuldnt you run light? You can get the same bonus from slotting a skill or even drinking a spell power potion (spell damage and crit)… rattlecage is like a soloing open world set so you can be lazy.

    if you are in pve group dungeons i wluld be tunning 5 julianos and 7 light. If it is pvp, i would do 5 julianos (heavy) + 5 spinners.

    i would also lose the kena regardless (sorry that you golded them)… way too big of negative impact to sustain keeping kena up, and definitely going to feel it with destro because it will be active way more than you had it up on dw. You will definitely run out of mag fast. Grothdarr is really great.

    i would consider if you are married to rattlecage running 3 rattlecage jewelry, 2 armor… then run crafted julianos 5 piece and just a kena shoulder for more spell damage on the one piece.

    Okay wow yeah, I had assumed this was for pve, but now I look at it you are right this sounds more like pvp. That said, a staff isn't AS necessary by any means, but it will still be very good for the ultimate, which has kinda taken the place of meteor in pvp. Given my limited pvp knowledge, I'I'll let others take it from here.

  8. #8

    YourACasul

    Member36 Posts

    Ok well let me meet halfway on your advice.

    Sadly kena is staying. I actually proc it alot and mixing weaving with heavy armor and tenacity I rarely find myself below 50% magicka.

     

    My new stats are (food)

    37k magicka (alot better)

    19k health

    10k stamima

    3k spell damage (3.6 with kena)

    32% crit (feels enough to me personally, just my opinion)

    700 regen (tenacity and heavy attack weaving make up)

    20k defenses

    3.3k crit resist.

    I find that now I am producing alot better dps with the staff (so glad I swapped hitting 19k crits on heavy is nice mixed with the wide array of dot damage from destro and dk) and I'm still tanky enough to sufficiently tank (coagulation blood usually heals 11k (non crit)) amd inner rage is a perfect back bar taunt

    I decided on a sharpened destro for front bar and a powered for back (may go defending)

    This let's me have a wide array of options and yet I still feel powerful. Plus with me still needing to golden my gear and get adequate glyphs I feel like I can only improve from here.

    Also I want to avoid crafted sets for now since I worked so hard with my farming (I'll save those for my next build which will likely be a TBS stamsorc)

     

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  9. #9

    CasNation

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    So, can you just clear up for us whether this is a pvp or a pve build? If a pve build, you should know that mobs can't crit, so your crit resist is a worthless stat.

    Also, I highly advise you check out a recent video from Deltia's Gaming on the efficacy if gold gear. His tests were minimal, but the gist is that gold armor only improves your damage by about 2-3% depending on your traits. Weapons are more on the 7-10% scale, so those are worth it. Just something to consider before you blow hundreds of thousands of gold worth of tempering alloy on your rattlecage gear.

  10. #10

    YourACasul

    Member36 Posts
    CasNation wrote on March 9, 2017

    So, can you just clear up for us whether this is a pvp or a pve build? If a pve build, you should know that mobs can’t crit, so your crit resist is a worthless stat.

    Also, I highly advise you check out a recent video from Deltia’s Gaming on the efficacy if gold gear. His tests were minimal, but the gist is that gold armor only improves your damage by about 2-3% depending on your traits. Weapons are more on the 7-10% scale, so those are worth it. Just something to consider before you blow hundreds of thousands of gold worth of tempering alloy on your rattlecage gear.

    This is a pvp set definitely. But I also do pve cause I find dungeons fun. But obviously for that I'll run alternative sets in infused and divines etc. Also yeah I know about the small improvement but this is my favorite character and I've watched her grow from a level 3 to the CP 352 she is currently. I have to make her perfect. Plus my next to on is gonna be a TBS setup so since I'm already refining for gold stuff (I don't buy tempers I but ore etc) I can also save up the other tempers I get so my 2nd character will have an easier time leveling and gearing etc

     

    Either way I've gotten my numbers to new heights by swapping to destro. So thanks for that I'm so happy I did it.

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  11. #11

    MaccB55

    Member11 Posts

    *I am currently in the process of trying some things out with a mag DK, right now I am running destroy on front bar with a few class skills but mostly skills from destroy and my class woe's, my back bar I am running dw, this is a just for run/wondering how much dig I can pull setup more than anything else ATM,, and mostly class skills and so far I have really enjoyed it, plus he has been doing quite a bit of dmg. gear wise I have been trying to see what is working better between bsw, julianos, lich, and embershield or actually should I say what mix works the best between them being as those are the more used of the sets I have. for monster gear I normally run Skoria seeing as almost every single skill on either of my bars can proc it I get a great amount of dmg from using it, I also sometimes use grothdarr or Ilambris depending on the situation, one thing I am having a hard time with is penetration as well as resistance, I play on xobox 1 na and am wondering how I know if I need more of either or how to even know what my pen is? I play mostly pve so is there one resistance over the other I should aim for in pve or should I still get just as much of both?

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  12. #12

    Latin

    Moderator1308 Posts
    MaccB55 wrote on April 5, 2018

    *I am currently in the process of trying some things out with a mag DK, right now I am running destroy on front bar with a few class skills but mostly skills from destroy and my class woe's, my back bar I am running dw, this is a just for run/wondering how much dig I can pull setup more than anything else ATM,, and mostly class skills and so far I have really enjoyed it, plus he has been doing quite a bit of dmg. gear wise I have been trying to see what is working better between bsw, julianos, lich, and embershield or actually should I say what mix works the best between them being as those are the more used of the sets I have. for monster gear I normally run Skoria seeing as almost every single skill on either of my bars can proc it I get a great amount of dmg from using it, I also sometimes use grothdarr or Ilambris depending on the situation, one thing I am having a hard time with is penetration as well as resistance, I play on xobox 1 na and am wondering how I know if I need more of either or how to even know what my pen is? I play mostly pve so is there one resistance over the other I should aim for in pve or should I still get just as much of both?

     You can just add the tooltip from CP, passives and traits for penetration. There's no hidden trick to it.

    You cannot really selectively choose one resistance over another anyway; just go with whatever your armour provides. Your red CP allocation (damage reduction) depends on the trials that you do most, but does not matter as much for any other content.

    As an aside, please don't necro threads. This OP is more than a year old. If you have questions, please use the simple question thread or post in one of the relevant sub-forums. Thank you.

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