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If minor slayer is (somewhat) additive, could willpower/agil

Has anyone here considered that the math might come out in favor of using 3x willpower/agility (with all weapons being either masters or maelstrom for the extra max-resource/damage), given that the Minor Slayer buff appears to only be additive with certain other damage increases?  I ask because if someone's already done the work to answer that question, then I don't have to undertake answering this question myself.

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    Asayre

    Member633 Posts

    Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation

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    rehpc

    Member4 Posts
    Asayre wrote on June 19, 2017

    Yep, already considered it a while ago

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3283925/#Comment_3283925

    Thanks!  Did you test whether it was additive with exploiter as well?  This in particular concerns me as I am running a lightning magicka sorc build.

    EDIT: I suppose I'm also asking about how it stacks with the 8% from minor vulnerability (from concussed) and the heavy attack % bonus from attacking an off-balance enemy.

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    Asayre

    Member633 Posts

    Damage done sources are additive. Minor Slayer and Exploiter are damage done.

    Minor vulnerability is damage taken so is multiplicative with Damage Done.

    I'm unsure of the % bonus from attacking off-balance enemies.

    Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation

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    Shiro

    Member160 Posts

    I've been hearing people talking about Minor Slayer being nerfed/reworked etc in U14, but haven't found any substantial info on it.

    Has anything changed with the new front loaded CP, making Willpower better in more cases now?

    it still doesn't work very well with radiant and impale etc right?

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    Asayre

    Member633 Posts

    It works worse now because CP falls under Damage Done.

    Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation

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    Shiro

    Member160 Posts
    Asayre wrote on June 20, 2017

    It works worse now because CP falls under Damage Done.

    Ok thanks for clarifying!

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    rehpc

    Member4 Posts
    Asayre wrote on June 20, 2017

    It works worse now because CP falls under Damage Done.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the forum post you previously linked to was before slayer became additive with all CP damage done bonuses.  Because of the CP changes and the way blue CP bonuses stack with slayer now, is Willpower BiS for all magicka classes now?

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    Asayre

    Member633 Posts
    rehpc wrote on June 21, 2017

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the forum post you previously linked to was before slayer became additive with all CP damage done bonuses.  Because of the CP changes and the way blue CP bonuses stack with slayer now, is Willpower BiS for all magicka classes now?

    You're correct. The link post shows how to calculate when 3p of Moondancer is better than 3p of Willpower. Since the average damage done from CP is ~20% in most cases Willpower is preferred.

    Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation

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    kwin

    Member56 Posts

    we will have also to consider that willpower is 3PC

    Most BiS build are considering MD 4PC on front bar with weapon + 2PC monster set + 5PC set + VMA staff back bar

    so in order to replace 4PC MD by 3PC WP + Master/Malestrom staff front (or non set staff + SP enchant?) ; the difference between 3PC WP and 3PC mondancer need to offset this additional contribution

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    rehpc

    Member4 Posts
    kwin wrote on June 22, 2017

    we will have also to consider that willpower is 3PC

    Most BiS build are considering MD 4PC on front bar with weapon + 2PC monster set + 5PC set + VMA staff back bar

    so in order to replace 4PC MD by 3PC WP + Master/Malestrom staff front (or non set staff + SP enchant?) ; the difference between 3PC WP and 3PC mondancer need to offset this additional contribution

    Assuming that you are using magicka drain poison on your front bar for sustain, you still get the Spell Damage from Maelstrom/Max Magicka from Master staves even while a poison is equipped (I just tested this).  Therefore the difference you're talking about only exists if you're running an enchant on your front bar, because the magicka/spell damage bonus from maelstrom/master staves is approximately a single set-bonus worth of stats.  Even with that difference, the impact of having slayer only stack additively is still so huge (it brings it from a 5% buff to around 3% at max CP) that it might still be BiS over 4-piece Moondancer.  My calculations show that it depends on how much time you spend on your front bar, and how many "damage dealt" bonuses you have.  If you have no % damage bonuses besides CP, high elf bonus, destro staff bonus, and energized bonus, and you spend 100% of your time on your front bar (impossible, but a good boundary), the moondancer setup gives you about 1.7% more damage (less if I've forgotten any of the sources of % damage bonuses).  However, if you split your time on staves 50/50, and you include the exploiter passive and minor berserk, the two set-ups are almost exactly even.  If you do not have the Moondancer staff, then willpower is always better.

     

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