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Gold Farmers - Good or Bad for ESO?

Gold farmers have been seen as a problem in many games. Some players hate them. However, somebody is buying gold from them with real cash or they wouldn't exist.

What do you see as the main problems with gold farmers? What recommendations do you have for the developers to control/eliminate them from ESO?

What do you like about gold farmers? Do they provide a service that is needed? Should the developers leave them be?

 

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27 Replies
  1. #1

    RCheke

    Member75 Posts

    The spamming just pisses me off. If players want to cheat it doesn't neccaseraly affect me. But the spamming is annoying and immersion breaking.

  2. #2

    Antoine.Bellamont

    Member359 Posts

    Inflation is natural without significant gold sinks. Gold farmers only accelerate the process and spam local chat to annoy people. They're as much a pest as they are a catalyst.

  3. #3

    Nukluk

    Member531 Posts

    I find the spamming annoying too. I also find it annoying when groups of gold farmers saturate areas and make playing there more difficult.

    I am happiest in games where gold farmers' accounts are aggressively culled; less spam, less grief, etc.

     

  4. #4

    sir-hardy-of-morningwood

    Member54 Posts

    The biggest problem is that people keep buying from them. As long there is a public, they'll keep doing this crap

  5. #5

    Antoine.Bellamont

    Member359 Posts

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  6. #6

    Irixii

    Member918 Posts

    Generally I only fight battle I can win, and trying to defeat the megalith that is gold sellers is not one of them. Players feed off them and they feed off the players. Now we can say that it terrible that they exist, I personally dont care about them, but so long as thier are shortcuts then people will take them. In the past playing a game for hours on end and one still could not maintain competiveness (yes you lineage 2). so player likely bought gold, and seeing that everyone had gold again they charged more for the items you need to play, which pushed more players into the gold sellers hands. Then one day I ask for a group and I am asked why arent you using the items needed for play, I cant afford it grinding, why don't you buy gold. I quit the game the next day after having grinded to level 65. If there aren't enough resources fornplayers actually playing, then gold sellers will happily make up what the game lacks. If eso wishes to avoid gold sellers, the would have to deflate the cost of ingame items. If thier is profit to be made off rare items gold sellersmwill be around every corner. Remember mmo progression=time played. Time=money so money=progression just as well

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  7. #7

    Konahrik

    Banned330 Posts

    Bop items traded for alliance points, whats that no gold sellers...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys82RoIA-A

    problem solvered

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  8. #8

    Berit

    Member306 Posts
    Antoine.Bellamont wrote on November 6, 2013

    Inflation is natural without significant gold sinks. Gold farmers only accelerate the process and spam local chat to annoy people. They’re as much a pest as they are a catalyst.

    ^^this. to all those who believe it has no affect other than annoying chat spam, the prices you're paying are inflated due to people acquiring large amounts of gold relatively easy. when players have a large amount of gold they are willing to pay more for items because it doesn't impact them as severely as it normally would. this drives the sellers to charge more, so prices go up for everyone.

  9. #9

    gtox

    Member1801 Posts

    Normally I would completely agree with you, however the recent FFXIV has really made me question the validity of "someone must be buying from them or else they wouldn't be in business".  In FFXIV there is literally no reason to ever want more of the in-game currency; it is plentiful and the things that it is used for are of very low value to the player.  The items that, in other games validate a gold seller to exist, are instead bought using alternate currency that cannot be traded.

    Why then are there TONS of gold sellers spamming that game?!  Sure there might be the odd person who doesn't understand that money is of such low value and ignorantly buys from them, but surely there cannot be many who apply to that description.  It seems as though the sellers are there even without good reason to be; perhaps because their overhead is practically zero and they adapt the "meh.. why not" policy.

    What do you see as the main problems with gold farmers?  Inflation, chat spam, impression that it sets for new players joining the community

    What recommendations do you have for the developers to control/eliminate them from ESO?  Aggressive bot elimination (this would eliminate at least half of the suppliers), and demo/trial accounts are not allowed to speak in chat or trade items to other players AT ALL, EVER (it is intended to be a demo/trial after all.. if players want to chat or trade, then buy the game), tracking player currency trade patterns over a certain #

    What do you like about gold farmers?  Is this a trick question?  Nothing is good about gold farmers.

    Do they provide a service that is needed?  If their service is "needed", then the game is broken.

    Should the developers leave them be?  Absolutely not.  They are equal to hackers and exploiters and should be addressed with the same level of punishment.

  10. #10

    BleedingBliss

    Member13 Posts

    I don't mind grinding for more gold, if it makes it a bit harder for gold to be gotten because of farmers, dosen't really bother me or make little to any affect. :P

  11. #11

    Armaerei

    Member122 Posts

    Gold farmers spam chat, which is against the rules and extremely annoying. They farm resources endlessly, often taking them from players who would have gotten them. On the more extreme end, most gold selling companies get a significant portion of their gold from stolen player accounts-- illegal, against the game rules, and a large detriment to the victims. Gold farmers will also exploit any beneficial bugs en masse, making seemingly insignificant bugs into a massive problem(There was a copying issue in WoW that was dealt with swiftly as far as I'm aware-- yet every gold farmer on almost every server had like 100 onyx panthers and other rare mounts, selling them for half the cost it takes to craft them.). There is no 'benefit' to having gold farmers unless you are also okay with theft, hacking, and cheating.

    As a side note, I think ESO has already taken one great step towards thinning their numbers. The vast majority of item trading/selling will be within guild shops, which will generally be exclusive to guild members. Even if a guild has a public shop in a keep, gold farmers will only be able to buy-- not sell. Even so, the farmers would be subject to a PvP environment and would likely die with very little gain. The biggest problem will be gold farmers attempting to sell items openly through chat and whispers, and ESO should make efforts to stop them from doing so. Putting some advanced filtering into the chat systems to weed out spamming and websites would go far in this area. Though a lot of people would be against this, I would also love for ESO's chat system to stop people from pasting or macroing large blocks of text into whispers or chat.

  12. #12

    Vultan Roserock

    Member11 Posts

    Gold farmers are bad for game they take the fun out of the game and spam the chat like mad. The majority of them tend to be hackers or scammers.

  13. #13

    Temijin DeathStalker

    Member144 Posts
    Irixii wrote on November 6, 2013

    Generally I only fight battle I can win, and trying to defeat the megalith that is gold sellers is not one of them. Players feed off them and they feed off the players. Now we can say that it terrible that they exist, I personally dont care about them, but so long as thier are shortcuts then people will take them. In the past playing a game for hours on end and one still could not maintain competiveness (yes you lineage 2). so player likely bought gold, and seeing that everyone had gold again they charged more for the items you need to play, which pushed more players into the gold sellers hands. Then one day I ask for a group and I am asked why arent you using the items needed for play, I cant afford it grinding, why don’t you buy gold. I quit the game the next day after having grinded to level 65. If there aren’t enough resources fornplayers actually playing, then gold sellers will happily make up what the game lacks. If eso wishes to avoid gold sellers, the would have to deflate the cost of ingame items. If thier is profit to be made off rare items gold sellersmwill be around every corner. Remember mmo progression=time played. Time=money so money=progression just as well

     

     

     

     

     

     

    excellents points.  The root cause is the players themselves. I do think restricting markets to guild that own keeps and not making it a universal market is an excellent move. Gold sellers must have a way to easily sell their farmed loot.  Now, I could see them paying real world cash to a guild leader to allow them into their guild just so they have a place to sell.  there should be a way for players to report suspected gold farmers to someone. They really are not all that hard to spot. I suspect Templars may be the class of choice for gold farmers due their situational flexibility.

     

    i suspect the day will come when the developers succumb to the call for universal market. When they do the gold farmers will swarm in and ESO will not be the same.

     

  14. #14

    Thunderbow

    Member1056 Posts

    There is very little, if anything, good about gold farmers.

    As for dealing with them, they're like illegal immigrants.  You catch as many as you can, but some are going to slip through.

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  15. #15

    Rhaegar Dragonsbane

    Member252 Posts

    Gold farmers? What are you talking about? Are you telling me that three day old rookie didn't earn that diamond plated chestplate by himself?

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  16. #16

    Reinhard McKinky

    Member1716 Posts

    ESO needs gold farmers, like it needs an arrow to the patella.

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  17. #17

    The Gray Watcher

    Member1230 Posts
    Reinhard McKinky wrote on November 6, 2013

    ESO needs gold farmers, like it needs an arrow to thepatella.

    I use to think like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

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  18. #18

    Strider II

    Member73 Posts

    I think that there will be less gold farmers because of the economic system in ESO, but I also think that there will be a ridiculous amount of spam in the major cities from them. Like someone else said Zenimax needs to invest in an advanced filtering system. It will probably be hard for them to find a happy medium between preventing the gold sellers from spamming chat and breaking legitimate players immersion.  I also am wondering how they will handle all of the people in the major cities on screen at one time.

  19. #19

    Great Architect

    Member64 Posts

    They're going to exist, be annoying and people will use it in hopes of gaining that upper hand over everyone else to reach that golden platform of fame.

    I think that gold farmers destroy a games economy and players are beyond stupid for using them.  Players deserve it when they get hacked and / or banned.  I hope that ZOS has an extremely tight system in place to combat this issue and we don't have to put up with alot of spamming from them.  Perhaps if their system detects large amounts of text with symbols or links that keep occurring within a certain time frame window it would throw a flag on that account so a representative could check the account and take proper actions against it if it was a gold spammer.

    Maybe if ZOS has a wall of shame for every player that gets busted using 3rd party sites to gain gold, materials and / or gear they're put up on the wall for everyone to see so your guilds will know to keep those people out of your guild and it will show to the community ZOS is not going to tolerate that kind of behavior.

    Lastly I hope that ZOS systems keeps a good record of trading and if repetition keeps occurring say Gold spammer account trades to player A's secondary account or a friend that receives the gold which then the secondary account or friend trades the gold to the primary account....  If things like that keep occurring then not only does the spammer account become banned but the other 2 accounts involved in trading that gold around is banned as well.   And I'm not talking about a 1x thing of giving a friend some gold gets you banned,  I'm speaking of a reoccurring instances.  It would take some leg work to gather the info but I'm sure a system with filters could be put into place so that ZOS reps could filter out say amounts of 1000 gold or more with names of <this account> and then the rep could see all those transactions that have taken place and each date / time it took place.

     

    Those are just some of my ideas, I know it's going to be extremely hard to combat this problem but maybe if we all work together we can keep a tight lid on the problem :)

     

    Thank you,

    Defatank

    Great Architect Founder

  20. #20

    ProfHutch

    Member121 Posts

    there needs to be a virus planted on their computer that causes their computer to self destruct. there is nothing positive about gold farmers i have to say, they enable people whose one solution to anything is to throw money at it and they spam the living crap out of the rest of us. then there is the set that their only objective is to steal your account info through promises of cheap in game currency. keep that crap out of my TES games

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