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Best Race for Templar?

I been browsing some of the Templar theorycrafting threads. I so far have not found one that seems to be up to date or for my needs. I am looking to build a healer only Templar that would be great pretty much in PVP and PVE with DLCs/endgame content.

 

I was looking to make it a Breton but with how the changes came for Argonian, I am not sure. I wish I had a better list of racial passives but I can only go off what I can find listed on other sites and just like with guides, they seem to be also outdated for now.

 

As I said, I am just looking for a Healer based Templar, not interested in DPS or Tank currently with this one and probably wont be. I have another one on a different alliance that I am trying to decide on but so far no idea. So any and all hints or help will be appreciated! I do plan to use Restoration staffs on both bars (unless one actually does need to be something else) if that is a bit of help.

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  1. #1

    Dolan

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    Breton for magicka sustain, possibly Argonian once the next DLC comes out as their passive is getting changed to increase healing done... but I don't want scales or a tail lol.

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  2. #2

    DemiDemon

    Member18 Posts
    Dolan wrote on August 5, 2016

    Breton for magicka sustain, possibly Argonian once the next DLC comes out as their passive is getting changed to increase healing done… but I don’t want scales or a tail lol.

    The new DLC is out already has been for 4 days.

  3. #3

    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts

    Altmer is still the best for a healer templar.  The max magicka and mag regen are huge, and the damage bonus to all elemental types allows you to have flexibility with dps.  Breton is just about on par with altmer for healer-only builds... At least it is more survivable with the spell resistance buff.

    argonian having a healing done passive really isnt super important - your heals at endgame will already be enough to full heal anyone in a burst.  A small bit more will be irrelevant.  I would rather have the regen or reduced cost + much higher max magicka bonus.

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    mrowmrif2

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    DemiDemon wrote on August 5, 2016

    Dolan said on August 5, 2016 :

    Breton for magicka sustain, possibly Argonian once the next DLC comes out as their passive is getting changed to increase healing done… but I don’t want scales or a tail lol.

    The new DLC is out already has been for 4 days.

    Xbox and ps4 comes out aug 16th so not yet for consoles.

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    DemiDemon

    Member18 Posts
    mrowmrif2 wrote on August 6, 2016

    Altmer is still the best for a healer templar. The max magicka and mag regen are huge, and the damage bonus to all elemental types allows you to have flexibility with dps. Breton is just about on par with altmer for healer-only builds… At least it is more survivable with the spell resistance buff.

    argonian having a healing done passive really isnt super important – your heals at endgame will already be enough to full heal anyone in a burst. A small bit more will be irrelevant. I would rather have the regen or reduced cost + much higher max magicka bonus.

     

    Have you tried the Argonians since then? Also sorry for such a late reply, haven't really been playing so didn't check back until now. >_<

     

    mrowmrif2 wrote on August 6, 2016

    DemiDemon said on August 5, 2016 :

    The new DLC is out already has been for 4 days.

    Xbox and ps4 comes out aug 16th so not yet for consoles.

    Yeah, sadly idk what version he uses.

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    mrowmrif2

    Moderator4609 Posts
    DemiDemon wrote on August 26, 2016

    mrowmrif2 said on August 6, 2016 :

    Altmer is still the best for a healer templar. The max magicka and mag regen are huge, and the damage bonus to all elemental types allows you to have flexibility with dps. Breton is just about on par with altmer for healer-only builds… At least it is more survivable with the spell resistance buff.

    argonian having a healing done passive really isnt super important – your heals at endgame will already be enough to full heal anyone in a burst. A small bit more will be irrelevant. I would rather have the regen or reduced cost + much higher max magicka bonus.

    Have you tried the Argonians since then? Also sorry for such a late reply, haven’t really been playing so didn’t check back until now. >_<

    mrowmrif2 said on August 6, 2016 :

    Xbox and ps4 comes out aug 16th so not yet for consoles.

    Yeah, sadly idk what version he uses.

    Nope i do not play argonian - it was garbage for 2 years and imo is still lackluster.  People like to play lizard men, so at least it is acceptable now from a stats perspective.

  7. #7

    DemiDemon

    Member18 Posts
    mrowmrif2 wrote on August 26, 2016

    DemiDemon said on August 26, 2016 :

    Have you tried the Argonians since then? Also sorry for such a late reply, haven’t really been playing so didn’t check back until now. >_<

    Yeah, sadly idk what version he uses.

    Nope i do not play argonian – it was garbage for 2 years and imo is still lackluster. People like to play lizard men, so at least it is acceptable now from a stats perspective.

    Alright, well thank you. I was thinking of either Breton or Altmer for this so at least I'll be able to pick easier when the time comes. :D

  8. #8

    oceans

    Member5 Posts
    mrowmrif2 wrote on August 6, 2016

    Altmer is still the best for a healer templar. The max magicka and mag regen are huge, and the damage bonus to all elemental types allows you to have flexibility with dps. Breton is just about on par with altmer for healer-only builds… At least it is more survivable with the spell resistance buff.

    argonian having a healing done passive really isnt super important – your heals at endgame will already be enough to full heal anyone in a burst. A small bit more will be irrelevant. I would rather have the regen or reduced cost + much higher max magicka bonus.

    I was under the impression it was a much tougher call, re: Breton vs Altmer magplar.

    Both get max magicka

    Isn't Magic regen or cost reduction is pretty much a toss up? Then in this PvE-healer circumstance, you're looking at getting a ton of Major Intellect from just using your Templar spells, plus additional regen on resto heavy attacks.

    So the real distinction is:

    Elemental Dmg vs Spell Res: The Templar gains very, very little from elemental damage unless they use a Destro staff. Almost all of the Templar skills are "magic damage" except for the dot portion of Sunfire. Destro staff is a common backbar choice for healers and it could be great for leveling min/maxing a groups dps, "but"... if you're not going to use Destro staff, this essentially becomes a wasted racial, which would put Bretons in the lead again...

  9. #9

    Malic

    Member743 Posts
    oceans wrote on September 2, 2016

    mrowmrif2 said on August 6, 2016 :

    Altmer is still the best for a healer templar. The max magicka and mag regen are huge, and the damage bonus to all elemental types allows you to have flexibility with dps. Breton is just about on par with altmer for healer-only builds… At least it is more survivable with the spell resistance buff.

    argonian having a healing done passive really isnt super important – your heals at endgame will already be enough to full heal anyone in a burst. A small bit more will be irrelevant. I would rather have the regen or reduced cost + much higher max magicka bonus.

    I was under the impression it was a much tougher call, re: Breton vs Altmer magplar.

    Both get max magicka

    Isn’t Magic regen or cost reduction is pretty much a toss up? Then in this PvE-healer circumstance, you’re looking at getting a ton of Major Intellect from just using your Templar spells, plus additional regen on resto heavy attacks.

    So the real distinction is:

    Elemental Dmg vs Spell Res: The Templar gains very, very little from elemental damage unless they use a Destro staff. Almost all of the Templar skills are “magic damage” except for the dot portion of Sunfire.Destro staff is a common backbar choice forhealers and it could be great for leveling min/maxing a groups dps, “but”… if you’re not going to use Destro staff, this essentially becomes a wasted racial, which would put Bretons in the lead again…

    Toss up maybe, the one distinct advantage of regen is you can get the atronoch mundus and craft divines to amplify the effect, which stacks with your class and race passives + CP you cant get magicka cost reduction from mundus. I dont know the hard math so, please someone prove me wrong (I mean that seriously not sarcastically) but I imagine the "stacking" would supplant reduction soely because of the mundus.

    For a Templar healer that altmer passive would affect the burning light passive increasing its damage which is a nice have. Certainly not singular reason to take altmer for a templar but a healing templar should be throwing out luminous shards which this altmer passive also affects. The spell resistance isnt anything to dismiss from the Breton passives, particularly since the OP said he would be using the toon in PVP. In the end he's going to have to decide does he want more survive or more damage out of his healer build?

    Shards is the key in the decision IMHO, if he's a healer thats going to be a staple in his rotation and extra damage is a nice bonus to it. The spell resistance he is picking up with a breton should be able to be mitigated through his heals. If I were deciding based on his criteria Id be going Altmer.

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  10. #10

    oceans

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    Thorgrum wrote on September 2, 2016

     

    For a Templar healer that altmer passive would affect the burning light passive increasing its damage which is a nice have. Certainly not singular reason to take altmer for a templar but a healing templar should be throwing out luminous shards which this altmer passive also affects. The spell resistance isnt anything to dismiss from the Breton passives, particularly since the OP said he would be using the toon in PVP. In the end he’s going to have to decide does he want more survive or more damage out of his healer build?

    Shards is the key in the decision IMHO, if he’s a healer thats going to be a staple in his rotation and extra damage is a nice bonus to it. The spell resistance he is picking up with a breton should be able to be mitigated through his heals. If I were deciding based on his criteria Id be going Altmer.

    But shards is "magic damage", not an "elemental" flavor of magic damage (lightning/fire/frost), so shouldn't be effected by the Altmer +elemental damage bonus. Unless I am misreading what you are referring too. Likewise, the Burning Light passive is also magic, not elemental, so isn't improved by being Altmer either.

     

    Divines should only amplify the effect of your mundus, not your racial or any modifiers from cloth armor, unless theres some bug.

     

    So an Altmer with 25% regen from mundus x2 with a 100% divines bonus would have 50% (mundus&divines)  + 9% racial.  A Breton can still do the mundus / divines stacking, so the differences is still only whether 9% magic regen is approximate to 3% cost reduction.

  11. #11

    Malic

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    oceans wrote on September 2, 2016

    Thorgrum said on September 2, 2016 :

    For a Templar healer that altmer passive would affect the burning light passive increasing its damage which is a nice have. Certainly not singular reason to take altmer for a templar but a healing templar should be throwing out luminous shards which this altmer passive also affects. The spell resistance isnt anything to dismiss from the Breton passives, particularly since the OP said he would be using the toon in PVP. In the end he’s going to have to decide does he want more survive or more damage out of his healer build?

    Shards is the key in the decision IMHO, if he’s a healer thats going to be a staple in his rotation and extra damage is a nice bonus to it. The spell resistance he is picking up with a breton should be able to be mitigated through his heals. If I were deciding based on his criteria Id be going Altmer.

    But shards is “magic damage”, not an“elemental” flavor of magicdamage (lightning/fire/frost), so shouldn’t be effected by the Altmer +elemental damage bonus. Unless I am misreading what you are referring too. Likewise, the Burning Light passive is also magic, not elemental, so isn’t improved by being Altmer either.

    Divines should only amplify the effect of your mundus, not your racial or any modifiers from cloth armor, unless theres some bug.

    So an Altmer with 25% regen from mundus x2 with a 100% divines bonus would have 50% (mundus&divines)+ 9% racial. A Breton can still do the mundus / divines stacking, so the differences is still only whether 9% magic regen is approximate to 3% cost reduction.

    Okay

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  12. #12

    mrowmrif2

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    @oceans @thorgrum here is some math ignoring anything but the racials:

    breton gets 3% cost reduction; altmer gets 9% regen...  Breath of life costs base (rounding up) 4600 magicka per cast and let's assume you have 2000 mag regen base regardless of race (easy enough to get with mundus, gear, drink and glyphs).

    4600 x .97 (cost redux) = ~4460 per second cost for BoL

    If an altmer has 2000 base regen that makes it 2180 regen net with racial; that is per 2 second tick, so 1090 per second.

    the cost reduction while spamming BoL once a second will net 140 magicka savings per second.  Regen gives you 90 magicka back per second as an altmer.  So the breton would be more efficient when in that very specific situation where you are spamming BoLs...

    now how often are we spamming BoL - or anything?  Templar healers are almost always weaving in a medium attack or offdps with some other skill, especially destro.  We know that a significant portion of dps also comes from normal light/heavy attacks.  We also know that healers very typically run destro offbar for dps, elemental drain debuff and blockade.  With those taken into consideration, the altmer is stronger for dps.

    i lean altmer.  The spell resist is pretty meh except in pvp (it only amounts to around 5% or so spell damage reduction), and the cost redux does not outweigh the regen enough considering the dps loss.  Bretons make great healers and very good pvp races... Altmers are just a slightly better option for the other things the racials offer.

  13. #13

    Latin

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    I did this about a month ago, but seems appropriate just to paste it here for reference purpose.

    I am looking at the sustain bonus for Altmer, Argonian and Breton, in the healing/support role. Obviously for damage, the best options would be Dunmer, Altmer and Breton, in this particular order. But for healing/support, it is not as well-defined.

    As a reminder, Altmer grants Recovery bonus, Argonian has the stat restore on potion consumption and Breton has cost reduction bonus.

    In the healing role, your action per second is likely to be higher than 0.6, which puts cost reduction in favour over recovery. I am assuming that this holds for whoever is reading this, so Breton looks to be better than Altmer for now.

    Now, you factor in Argonian’s equivalent bonus, which restores 12% max mag, stam and health every time you drink potion. Assuming you consume a spell power potion every 45 seconds, and you have 37k buffed magicka, this translates to 197 increased mag recovery. Compared against Altmer’s 9% mag recovery, for the typical base at c160 and optimal healing gear (SPC+IA or SPC+Worm), 9% is only 46 increased mag recovery. With Atronach and 7x divine pieces, this goes up to 73, but still far behind. The breakpoint for which the increase in Altmer recovery exceeds that of the Argonian equivalent is 2387 buffed (including Spellcharge).

    Assuming that the average cost of skill for a healer/support is 3000 magicka, with 100 points in Magician, this drops to 2520. Let’s say that Bretons get 3% cost reduction, this translates to a saving of 76 magicka per cast. If you can cast 2 spells every 2 seconds, this saves you 152 magicka. The net magicka is thus, still in favour of Argonian’s stat restore through potion consumption. Of course, you are likely to have light armour and that will further reduce spell cost, reducing the relative significance of Breton’s cost reduction.

    The scenarios for which Breton’s cost reduction becomes increasingly better, are:

    1. You have low cost reduction through Champion Points and gears, and
    2. You either continually cast expensive skills like Breath of Life (base cost 4590 at c160), and/or you can maintain maximum action per second.

    Example 1, if you can cast 2 Breath of Life every 3 seconds, with a cost of 4590 magicka (zero cost reduction), the 3% cost reduction will save you 275 magicka.

    Example 2, if you can cast 2 Breath of Life every 2 seconds, at a cost of around 3277 magicka (16% cost reduction from Magician, 15% from 5 piece light armour), the additional 3% cost reduction will lower the cost to 3161. This gives you a saving of 232 magicka.

    Both of which returns a higher net magicka than the Argonian bonus, and far higher than that from Altmer's recovery.

     

    As an extension to the comparison above for the healing/support role, there is a difference in 7% max magicka between Altmer/Breton and Argonian. Consider the magicka pool before skill multipliers, we can assume a base of 33k max magicka. 7% of this is an additional 2310 max mag. If we consider a baseline benchmark of 37k max magicka and 2.2k spell damage, the 7% increased max mag represents an increase in damage/healing through abilities, of 3.84%. This is lower than the 5% increased healing done from the Argonian racial passive (in practice, iirc it works to around 4.95%). That said, it is specific to healing done, so additional consideration will need to be taken into account if you are factoring in damage done through any other relevant means.

    Lastly, if we consider that SPC+IA or SPC+Worm is going to mean 7p light armour, the 9% increased max health for Argonian could be welcoming.

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