Ultimate gain from damage/heals demystified!

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    Andy44

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    Here are my results:

    • “any” critical hit/heal/dot tick (no matter what dmg/heal amount) = 1 Ultimate
    • “any” damage/heal greater than 1% and lower than 5% of target’s max. HP = 1 Ultimate
    • “any” additional 4% of damage dealt, after the first 1% = 1 additional Ultimate
    • “any” additional 6% of healing done, after the first 1% = 1 additional Ultimate
    • Ultimate skills, can not generate Ultimate points, not even with critical hits

    Here are the approximated formulas for non critical hits and damage/healing done > 1% of targets max. HP:

    • Damage: Ultimate Gain = 1 + TRUNC((damage dealt % – 1%) / 4%)
    • Healing: Ultimate Gain = 1 + TRUNC((healing done % – 1%) / 6%)

    NOTE: U need to-be “in combat” to actually gain none critical Ultimate.

    Examples:

    attacking a 2295 HP target:

    • 64 dmg = 2,79% = 1 Ultimate
    • 134 dmg = 5,84% = 2 Ultimate
    • 232 dmg = 10,11% = 3 Ultimate
    • 382 dmg = 16,64% = 4 Ultimate
    • 476 dmg = 20,74% = 5 Ultimate
    • 486 dmg = 21,18% = 6 Ultimate

    attacking a 9954 HP target:

    • 64 dmg = 0,64% = 0 Ultimate
    • 100 dmg = 1,00% = 1 Ultimate

    healing a 2869 HP target:

    • 25 heal = 0,87% = 0 Ultimate
    • 40 heal = 1,39% = 1 Ultimate
    • 282 heal = 9,83% = 2 Ultimate
    • 376 heal = 13,11% = 3 Ultimate

     

    This explains why u may not get any Ultimate from Boss fights, since u need to break the 1% damage barrier with a single dmg event. Multi hit attacks count separate, so if u deal 3x 0.8% damage u will not get any Ultimate, while if u hit 3x 1,1% u will get 3 Ultimate. Weapon glyphs and DoT ticks that can break the 1% barrier, will also generate Ultimate from none critical hit’s.

    PS: I tested this up to 23% damage dealt, so much higher values may not apply to those rules. I did found one case where the above healing formula did not 100% work and results in one less ultimate gained, but still worked for all other cases.

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    glak

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    Does a critical hit give 1 ultimate due to being a crit or is it just because of the extra damage?

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    Andy44

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    glak said on July 5, 2014 :

    Does a critical hit give 1 ultimate due to being a crit or is it just because of the extra damage?

    U get 1 Ultimate per critical “event”, no matter what damage/heal amount was actually dealt.

     

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    AsweetRoll

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    And you gain ultimate from carve for each enemy hit.

    Is a crit 1 ultimate for each target effected or just one ultimate from the initial attack that crit. I know it’s 1 ultimate for each target effected by a DoT, like elemental ring if 6 targets are effected that’s 6 ultimate every second. And if that crits is it 12 ultimate every second?

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    Andy44

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    AsweetRoll said on July 5, 2014 :

    And you gain ultimate from carve for each enemy hit.

    Is a crit 1 ultimate for each target effected or just one ultimate from the initial attack that crit. I know it’s 1 ultimate for each target effected by a DoT, like elemental ring if 6 targets are effected that’s 6 ultimate every second. And if that crits is it 12 ultimate every second?

    If we follow the formula above:

    • u get 3 Ultimate for “each target hit” from carve’s special Ultimate rule
    • u “can” get 1+ Ultimates per target, if u deal more than 1% of targets max. HP
    • u “can” get 1 Ultimate per Bleed tick, if the bleed is more than 1% of targets max. HP
    • each critical damage “event” on each target, generates a extra Ultimate

    Each event is calculated separately, so don’t think in terms of “attack’s”, but in terms of “events”.

    So Elemental Ring, gets 3 possible damage events:

    • initial AE damage
    • Elemental Rings special DoT ticks
    • status effect “burning” ticks

    Keep in mind that any damage that is lower than 1% and is no critical hit, will not generate any Ultimate!

    PS: U also need to test what the DoT tick timing actually is, its not always one second per tick. So as example the burning status effect ticks once every 1.2 seconds and poisen once every 2 seconds.

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    AsweetRoll

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    Hm I see. This is great to know. Thanks for your testing, makes sense why I gain so much ultimate.

    Elemental ring, engulfing flames, lots of burning effects+DoTs+high crit+ele ring spam/engulfing flames/talons results in lots of ultimate.

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    AsweetRoll said on July 5, 2014 :

    Elemental ring, engulfing flames, lots of burning effects+DoTs+high crit+ele ring spam/engulfing flames/talons results in lots of ultimate.

    Yes against normal PvE mobs all your DoT’s + “Burning” can crit and they also probably deal more than 1% damage, so even a none crit burning tick, will generate 1 Ultimate on each enemy that is “burning”.

    However on Boss fights this changes dramatically, since all your DoT’s and even your normal attacks will never break the 1% barrier, which only leaves critical hits and “special” ultimate gaining skills/passives. As example the first and lowest HP Boss in AA Trial has 156977 HP, so u would need to deal at least 1570 damage per attack/dot to gain a none crit Ultimate, which is “nearly” impossible.

    On the other hand healing skills still work fine, since u need just 1% of the heal targets HP, which is normally a player with 2000-2800 HP. So even the crappy resto staff passive “Essence Drain” can generate a none crit Ultimate from heal’s.

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    fosley

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    You mentioned not being able to test over 23%, but during the main story quest, you get a buff that lets you pretty much one-shot things with like 5k health, and I know my ultimate was spiking every hit. I had three or four storm atronachs up at the same time once, and the limit was just finding new enemies to kill fast enough. So maybe the formula changes a bit, but it’s still a lot of ultimate being gained. Not sure you want to run a character through the main story just to test, but it should be a viable spot to do so.

    And I’m sure you knew this, but you can’t gain ultimate from low-level enemies. I’m not sure exactly what counts as “low-level”, but I know I was soloing a dungeon with enemies around level 25 when I was around 35, and some enemies would give no ultimate, while others would generate ultimate pretty quickly, and it turned out that the higher-level enemies were the ones generating ultimate.

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    fosley said on July 7, 2014 :

    And I’m sure you knew this, but you can’t gain ultimate from low-level enemies. I’m not sure exactly what counts as “low-level”, but I know I was soloing a dungeon with enemies around level 25 when I was around 35, and some enemies would give no ultimate, while others would generate ultimate pretty quickly, and it turned out that the higher-level enemies were the ones generating ultimate.

    You won’t gain Ultimate from damaging enemies that do not give you xp / vp.

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    AsweetRoll

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    Question about this and AoE: if you use AoE on 6 people and it hits for 1% of there health, does that mean you gain 6 ultimate from each person effected?

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    You can gain ulti without xp gain. last week with the guild im in, we did some low level dungeons for the achieves, the first 6 gave no ultimate, but i noticed during the next 3 my ulti was charging again… im vet 6 and we were doing regular dungeons…

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    FrancisCrawford

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    Thanks. This is REALLY helpful.

    I have 41% spell crit chance, and Elemental Ring spam refills my ultimate really quickly, sometimes in a single fight and surely in two fights. At least, that was the case in the one dungeon I found hard enough to want to keep using the Atronach, who costs me 170 ultimate. I’d guess from the icon that the fights that didn’t quite fill him up still generated 140 or so ultimate.

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    kasiir

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    nice results. what about other evens such as interrupting, blocking, etc? iirc ultimate was originally called “finesse” and supposed to be charged by such things primarily. do you know if they still give ult and how much?

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