The Arch-Mages Boon

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  1. Member AvatarParadox

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    Breton Templar

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    So i just finished the mages guild quest line, or so i think i did.

    I finished it up and Shalidor gave me..”The Arch Mages Boon”, but there is no boon that I can see, or quest and since the game is new, there is no information easily googlable for me to find, so just curious does anyone know whats up with this? Bug or is it not a real boon and its just some lore thing?

  2. Member AvatarShadowsquirt

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    Hey there, I just finished this as well. I also thought this was a bug, it sure wouldn’t surprise me (I’m not saying there’s a lot of bugs in the game, but the ones that exist ..sigh ..)

    Anyways, check out your Journal, go to Lore Library, and then you’ll see 2 sections (I really haven’t bothered checking out what this was named before, but). Eidetic Memory, and Shalidor’s Library. So ..like he said in the quest-log, you can now remember every note/book/whatever you’ve read :P I’m not going to say what I think of this ..reward ..after doing all these quests, other than I should have chosen “the other significant choice” given by the Mad God (I wrote this so it wouldn’t contain any spoilers except for answering OP’s question, so go easy on me!).

    Have a nice day :)

  3. Member AvatarRalan-Bek

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    Kinda stupid I just fell for the same trap, all I can say is follium is the correct choice if you actually want something as a reward, being able to read any note you pick up vs skill points and a buff thats a little on the bs

  4. Member AvatarEJ.MDPhD

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    Imperial Sorcerer

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    You get the archmage’s boon even if you choose the folium.

    • This reply was modified 6 months ago by Member Avatar EJ.MDPhD.
  5. Avatar Imagecrislevin

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    Breton Sorcerer

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    I made the moral choice, 2 skill points is not meaningful for me, as I have 12 unspent skill points, lol.

  6. Avatar ImageAlMcFly

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    Altmer Templar

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    I think it’s fairly shady to give an arguably “more valuable” reward for choosing a path that isn’t exactly a moral good.  What exactly are we trying to teach our youth in playing this game?

  7. Member AvatarZerikin

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    I think it’s fairly shady to give an arguably “more valuable” reward for choosing a path that isn’t exactly a moral good. What exactly are we trying to teach our youth in playing this game?

    Don’t make deals with gods of madness and chaos?

  8. Avatar ImageAlMcFly

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    Altmer Templar

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    Zerikin said on April 23, 2014 :

    Don’t make deals with gods of madness and chaos?

    Really…you obviously didn’t truly understand my comment because the reward from this quest does NOT reflect the lesson you are claiming.  The only lesson I see at the end is that it’s more rewarding to be a bad person.  The entire quest line essentially shoved down your throat that any reward from Sheogorath is going to be a double-cross/double-edged situation.  Yet once you get to the end, the far better reward is choosing to deal with him (and it has ZERO consequences for yourself).  Sounds like a failure of a  lesson to me.

  9. Member AvatarCimos

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    Zerikin said on April 23, 2014 :

    Don’t make deals with gods of madness and chaos?

    Really…you obviously didn’t truly understand my comment because the reward from this quest does NOT reflect the lesson you are claiming. The only lesson I see at the end is thatit’s more rewarding to be a bad person. The entire quest line essentially shoved down your throat that any reward from Sheogorath is going to be a double-cross/double-edged situation. Yet once you get to the end, the far better reward is choosing to deal with him. Sounds pretty broken to me.

    Since when is a game (especially an Elder Scrolls game) supposed to teach moral values to children?  LOL.  A bad person?  Lol these are make-believe decisions in a video game.  You think kids playing Skyrim are learning to be government assassins because they joined the Assassins guild?  Cmon man.

  10. Avatar ImageRobbb

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    Altmer Dragonknight

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    Zerikin said on April 23, 2014 :

    Don’t make deals with gods of madness and chaos?

    Sounds like a failure of a lesson to me.

    I thought you were joking with your 1st post. Lessons from a video game?? Wow…

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  11. Avatar ImageAlMcFly

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    Altmer Templar

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    Cimos said on April 23, 2014 :

    Since when is a game (especially an Elder Scrolls game) supposed to teach moral values to children?

    The game itself is advertised as giving players opportunity to make morally difficult choices.  Your textbook “it’s just a game” answer is essentially invalid.

  12. Avatar ImageRobbb

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    Altmer Dragonknight

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    Cimos said on April 23, 2014 :

    Since when is a game (especially an Elder Scrolls game) supposed to teach moral values to children?

    The game itself is advertised as giving players opportunity to make morally difficult choices. Your textbook “it’s just a game” answer is essentially invalid.

    And they do have an “opportunity to make morally difficult choices”. There is no “lesson” being taught. Not sure where you thought you got that…

    Get a grip man…

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    i saved that girl she better gives me something awesome in the next update, like a sparkling fire immune vampire transformation.

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  14. Member Avatarswarmofseals

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    Cimos said on April 23, 2014 :

    Since when is a game (especially an Elder Scrolls game) supposed to teach moral values to children?

    The game itself is advertised as giving players opportunity to make morally difficult choices. Your textbook “it’s just a game” answer is essentially invalid.

    When you get a superior reward for doing the “right” thing, it isn’t a difficult choice. It’s an easy choice;  you get to have your cake and eat it too. A morally difficult choice is one where you give something up in the service of a moral good.

    While I am doubtful of the usefulness of a game like this for teaching morality, it certainly wouldn’t be useful if it used a secondary incentive to encourage moral behavior. All this does is teach people to look for rewards as a way of guiding their behavior. As I alluded to before, the moral choices that matter most in the real world are the ones where some of your own interests conflict with the dictates of your morality. Training people to look for or expect a secondary reward for moral behavior is actually counterproductive* to encouraging morality and moral thinking.

     

    *This finding is supported by research and discussed in Barry Schwartz’ Crowding Out Morality.

  15. Member AvatarMound

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    I think it’s fairly shady to give an arguably “more valuable” reward for choosing a path that isn’t exactly a moral good. What exactly are we trying to teach our youth in playing this game?

    Eeevil.  Pure evil.  They should learn it well if they hope to survive, thrive and jive in the real world.

    ”Only fools have all the answers.” -Elminster Aumar

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    I think it’s fairly shady to give an arguably “more valuable” reward for choosing a path that isn’t exactly a moral good. What exactly are we trying to teach our youth in playing this game?

     Why are our youth playing this game to begin with? The game has a mature rating, and those who are playing should have their moral learnings down pat for the most part.

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  17. Avatar Imagecrislevin

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    Breton Sorcerer

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    You also get the title “master Wizard”.

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  18. Member AvatarSanguinarian

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    crislevin said on April 23, 2014 :

    You also get the title “master Wizard”.

    title is for completing the mage guild line you get that no matter what you choose

  19. Avatar ImageAlMcFly

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    Altmer Templar

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    swarmofseals said on April 23, 2014 :

    it certainly wouldn’t be useful if it used a secondary incentive to encourage moral behavior.

    I’m not arguing people to expect rewards from morally good choices.  I’m arguing that the entire Sheogorath storyline implied that helping him would appear rewarding on its surface but instead “actually” be a disadvantageous consequence you’d have to deal with.  Currently siding with Sheogorath is a win-win situation.

    Adall said on April 23, 2014 :

    The game has a mature rating, and those who are playing should have their moral learnings down pat for the most part.

    Right, because we live in a world where “most” adults are a pillar of morality… ;)

  20. Avatar ImageAdall

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    AlMcFly said on April 23, 2014 :

    swarmofseals said on April 23, 2014 :

    it certainly wouldn’t be useful if it used a secondary incentive to encourage moral behavior.

    I’m not arguing people to expect rewards from morally good choices. I’m arguing that the entire Sheogorath storyline implied that helping him would appear rewarding on its surface but instead “actually” be a disadvantageous consequence you’d have to deal with. Currently siding with Sheogorath is a win-win situation.

    Adall said on April 23, 2014 :

    The game has a mature rating, and those who are playing should have their moral learnings down pat for the most part.

    Right, because we live in a world where “most” adults are a pillar of morality… ;)

     Morality is entirely subjective and yes I would consider most adults pillars of morality on a secular standard.

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