Tava's Favor for Tanking

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    RoyalTactics

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    Has anyone had any success with using Tava’s Favor and shuffle, and then throwing in bloodspawn too? I wanted to try and make an ultimate generating tank for Warhorn upkeep.

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    We had this discussion in a tank build thread a couple weeks ago…  Few things:

    -bloodspawn is predicated on being hit… That is the opposite of tava. If tava 5 piece was like bloodspawn HELL YES.

    -is there a cooldown on tava?

    -does tava proc on dodged DOT ticks?

    -does the loss of mitigation from armor master set make ult generation worth it?

    -can you sustain without engine guardian using tavas/bloodspawn, potions and mountains blessing?  Possibly on a magicka build…

    -with loss of mitigation from armor master and low proc rate of bloodspawn, can you survive trials without magma armor or standard ults?  (Dependency on mits like veil and nova only)

    I say you lose more than you get.  If you had a hist bark jewelry set so you could run 5 hist + 5 tavas and block 100% of the time and not burn stam on shuffle… Maybe!  Even more likely on a sap tank nb with blur…

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    mrowmrif2 said on April 1, 2016 :

    We had this discussion in a tank build thread a couple weeks ago… Few things:

    -bloodspawn is predicated on being hit… That is the opposite of tava. If tava 5 piece was like bloodspawn HELL YES.

    -is there a cooldown on tava?

    -does tava proc on dodged DOT ticks?

    -does the loss of mitigation from armor master set make ult generation worth it?

    -can you sustain without engine guardian using tavas/bloodspawn, potions and mountains blessing? Possibly on a magicka build…

    -with loss of mitigation from armor master and low proc rate of bloodspawn, can you survive trials without magma armor or standard ults? (Dependency on mits like veil and nova only)

    I say you lose more than you get. If you had a hist bark jewelry set so you could run 5 hist + 5 tavas and block 100% of the time and not burn stam on shuffle… Maybe! Even more likely on a sap tank nb with blur…

    I’ve just been reading about this and there are so many different opinions and so many different ways to go…
     
    I recently reached level 50 in smithing, 50 heavy and 50 medium with all the skills (CP160+) so now I’m on my way to research the traits for every gear but I need some orientation about specials armor sets…A lot of people choose Tava’s favor + Bloodspawn but I think that’s a contradiction, right? One proc ultimate generation on damage and the other proc ultimate generation on Evasion :/
    Anyway, what armor is the best to my Nord Dk stam tank? Blood spawn + Tava’s Favor?? Hist Bark maybe?? What’s your opinion??
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    fosil666 said on January 10, 2017 :

    I’ve just been reading about this and there are so many different opinions and so many different ways to go…
    I recently reached level 50 in smithing, 50 heavy and 50 medium with all the skills (CP160+) so now I’m on my way to research the traits for every gear but I need some orientation about specials armor sets…A lot of people choose Tava’s favor + Bloodspawn but I think that’s a contradiction, right?One proc ultimate generation on damage and the other proc ultimate generation on Evasion :/
    Anyway, what armor is the best to my Nord Dk stam tank? Blood spawn + Tava’s Favor?? Hist Bark maybe?? What’s your opinion??

    you have the right of it, the combo is a contradiction… however…  what is better for most situations?  if you check my build in theorycrafting, you will see i run armor master + engine guardian + 3 eternal yokeda (for the aegis) and 2 transmutation (mag regen, you could also just use seducer crafter pieces – same difference… but if you dont have yokeda jewelry, you can run 1 piece trans neck and have 2 robust endurance rings for more health and stamina… so that is where that comes from.

    engine guardian has the limitation of being a proc based on skill use and the engine can die quickly, reducing its effectiveness.  the same is said for rkugamz, which is healing proc based… so that leaves bloodspawn and pirate helm sets.  bloodspawn returns ultimate when you get hit (which you will inevitably do, though it is more practical/useful in large trash pulls where a lot of mobs are hitting you, increasing the chance of proc as opposed to against a boss where it may proc once over a couple minutes… making it mostly useless)…  pirate may be the new meta in that you can essentially keep 100% uptime after the initial hit, which allows 30% less damage taken – pretty OP!  less healing, sure, but net less damage taken overall.

    until you farm ebon armor (rings + neck + 2 armor pieces), lunar bastion/yokeda… you are fine running 5 tavas with some other set.  i recommend 3 jewelry of bloodthorn or vampire’s cloak + 2 armor pieces… bloodthorn is light, vampire’s cloak is heavy… sturdy for the armor pieces.  vampire’s cloak is healthy jewelry, while i believe bloodthorn may be magicka?  either of those sets can be purchased on guild stores to complement your tavas, and your choice of monster 2 piece is really what works best for your playstyle.  i dont really like bloodspawn but have a set; i like engine guardian myself, but it is probably overkill sustain…. pirate is neat and very powerful, especially if you are a vampire.  then there is lord warden or some other set you might want to play around with :)

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    mrowmrif2 said on January 10, 2017 :

    until you farm ebon armor (rings + neck + 2 armor pieces), lunar bastion/yokeda… you are fine running 5 tavas with some other set. i recommend 3 jewelry of bloodthorn or vampire’s cloak + 2 armor pieces… bloodthorn is light, vampire’s cloak is heavy… sturdy for the armor pieces. vampire’s cloak is healthy jewelry, while i believe bloodthorn may be magicka? either of those sets can be purchased on guild stores to complement your tavas, and your choice of monster 2 piece is really what works best for your playstyle. i dont really like bloodspawn but have a set; i like engine guardian myself, but it is probably overkill sustain…. pirate is neat and very powerful, especially if you are a vampire. then there is lord warden or some other set you might want to play around with

    That’s the answer I needed!!! I’ll keep searching but I’m going to give a chance to Vampire’s Cloak
    I appreciatte the help! thank you mrowmrif2!

     

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    fosil666 said on January 10, 2017 :

    mrowmrif2 said on January 10, 2017 :

    until you farm ebon armor (rings + neck + 2 armor pieces), lunar bastion/yokeda… you are fine running 5 tavas with some other set. i recommend 3 jewelry of bloodthorn or vampire’s cloak + 2 armor pieces… bloodthorn is light, vampire’s cloak is heavy… sturdy for the armor pieces. vampire’s cloak is healthy jewelry, while i believe bloodthorn may be magicka? either of those sets can be purchased on guild stores to complement your tavas, and your choice of monster 2 piece is really what works best for your playstyle. i dont really like bloodspawn but have a set; i like engine guardian myself, but it is probably overkill sustain…. pirate is neat and very powerful, especially if you are a vampire. then there is lord warden or some other set you might want to play around with

    That’s the answer I needed!!! I’ll keep searching but I’m going to give a chance to Vampire’s Cloak
    I appreciatte the help! thank youmrowmrif2!

    Yesterday i farmed a Mighty Chudan Epaulet from the Undaunted dailies and I think this is a good set…

    (1 items) Adds 1376 Spell Resistance

    (1 items) Adds 1376 Physical Resistance

    (2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.

    (2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health

    …but I don’t have the Ruins of Mazzatun DLC so I can’t farm the helm :(
    is there another way to obtain it???

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    no other way to get helm than through the dungeon, and i wouldnt bother – chudan is garbage.  you get major resolve/ward as a DK from spiked armor (hardened or volatile).  chudan is craptastic.  lord warden would be better because it buffs the group, but even then it isnt that useful compared to something that grants you sustain or damage reduction, ultimate generation, etc.  especially as a DK where your resistances (particularly spell resistance) are easily 30k+ in heavy armor; no reason at all to use chudan.

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    mrowmrif2 said on January 11, 2017 :

    no other way to get helm than through the dungeon, and i wouldnt bother – chudan is garbage. you get major resolve/ward as a DK from spiked armor (hardened or volatile). chudan is craptastic. lord warden would be better because it buffs the group, but even then it isnt that useful compared to something that grants you sustain or damage reduction, ultimate generation, etc. especially as a DK where your resistances (particularly spell resistance) are easily 30k+ in heavy armor; no reason at all to use chudan.

    Wow…It makes a lot of sense to me!! I was thinking to replace Hardened Armor for another skill because I didn’t use it so much.
    The reason is that I don’t have a group to PvP so I only run normal dungeons and quests for the moment (1H&S: Shuffle, Ransack, Burning Talons, Coagulating Blood, Igneous Shield and War Horn / 2H: Critical Strike, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, Rally, Evil Hunter and Magma Shell)

    Should I replace one of the skills with Hardened Armor??

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    2h offbar for dungeon tanking is a bit meh…  but for soloing i guess it is necessary.  So let me just ignore that bar completely as a dps and not tank bar.

    for dungeon tanking, shuffle is nice and you want your taunt and igneous on that bar.  So there are 3/5.  Offbar you should have talons since you dont spam them or need them for tanking… and you should really be using choking and not burning talons as a stamina build (choking deals physical so more damage plus maim, which is more important than gimp tank burning damage).  Coagulating blood i would put on your offbar as well since you can swap to that for a quick heal and the  back to main bar.  You need heroic slash somewhere in there… so with 2h on offbar you really should have it on front bar.  I usually use 2 bars of 1hs and keep heroic on offbar with talons, chains, etc.

    igneous, ransack, heroic slash, shuffle, hardened/volatile armor + warhorn.

    Talons, chains, coagulating blood, 2 utility skills + magma shell.  If you are going 2h offbar you can use rally and maybe brawler for trash pulls… executioner for bosses?  And onslaught 2h ult also?  I hate 2h offbar in groups so i dont really know what to tell ya there.  Tank job is to tank not dps.

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    mrowmrif2 said on January 11, 2017 :

    2h offbar for dungeon tanking is a bit meh… but for soloing i guess it is necessary. So let me just ignore that bar completely as a dps and not tank bar.

    for dungeon tanking, shuffle is nice and you want your taunt and igneous on that bar. So there are 3/5. Offbar you should have talons since you dont spam them or need them for tanking… and you should really be using choking and not burning talons as a stamina build (choking deals physical so more damage plus maim, which is more important than gimp tank burning damage). Coagulating blood i would put on your offbar as well since you can swap to that for a quick heal and the back to main bar. You need heroic slash somewhere in there… so with 2h on offbar you really should have it on front bar. I usually use 2 bars of 1hs and keep heroic on offbar with talons, chains, etc.

    igneous, ransack, heroic slash, shuffle, hardened/volatile armor + warhorn.

    Talons, chains, coagulating blood, 2 utility skills + magma shell. If you are going 2h offbar you can use rally and maybe brawler for trash pulls… executioner for bosses? And onslaught 2h ult also? I hate 2h offbar in groups so i dont really know what to tell ya there. Tank job is to tank not dps.

    I agree with you. The thing is that 2H was the only way I found to do some damage in quests as a DK Stam (killing quickly = questing quickly) and the other reason for 2H is that I didn’t have a proper sword and shield (***ing researchs!!!). After reading your response I went to a Guild Store and bought a decent sword and shield for my offbar (this way I’ll use 2H only for quests) and reset my morphs.

    Thank you very much for your suggestions mrowmrif2…i’ll keep learning!

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