DK End-Game Main Tanking Guide and Build for HotR

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    Latin

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    Liofa said on September 15, 2017 :

    Build updated for Horns of the Reach . Build video incoming soon

    Looks pretty neat, thanks for the update!

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    Latin said on September 15, 2017 :

    Liofa said on September 15, 2017 :

    Build updated for Horns of the Reach . Build video incoming soon

    Looks pretty neat, thanks for the update!

    Thanks :) Btw , I couldn’t manage to embed Youtube video , normally it would just do on it’s own but didn’t do this time . Can you help me out with that please ?

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    Does it now look the way you wanted it to?

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    Latin said on September 15, 2017 :

    @Liofa

    Does it now look the way you wanted it to?

    Yes , thank you :) Can you tell me the code you used for that ? Tried many but couldn’t do that ^^

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    Liofa said on September 15, 2017 :

    Latin said on September 15, 2017 :

    @Liofa

    Does it now look the way you wanted it to?

    Yes , thank you Can you tell me the code you used for that ? Tried many but couldn’t do that ^^

    No worries.

    You don’t need a special code for it, just paste the Youtube link on its own line (with nothing else on that line). The shell will automatically embed the video linked.

    You only need a code if you wish to hide it behind a label, like your Build Editor link, but you already know how to do that. =]

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    Hey! What changes would you make to the build if you were off-tanking? :)

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on October 1, 2017 :

    Hey! What changes would you make to the build if you were off-tanking?

    Dragon/Tava’s + Powerful Assault :)

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    Liofa said on October 1, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on October 1, 2017 :

    Hey! What changes would you make to the build if you were off-tanking?

    Dragon/Tava’s + Powerful Assault

    Are there any other options aside from PA? I kinda feel that set is pointless lol :D

    Also: is it hard transitioning from DPS to Tank? The only thing I’ve done up until now was Stamblade and MagSorc DDs, I’m kind of afraid of letting go of block and starting to do rotations……………………………………….

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on October 1, 2017 :

    Liofa said on October 1, 2017 :

    Dragon/Tava’s + Powerful Assault

    Are there any other options aside from PA? I kinda feel that set is pointless lol

    Also: is it hard transitioning from DPS to Tank? The only thing I’ve done up until now was Stamblade and MagSorc DDs, I’m kind of afraid of letting go of block and starting to do rotations……………………………………….

    Alkosh . Because you can’t put Crusher on everything on trash fights so that will be useful there . Other than that , you could combine Tava’s and Dragon . About PA , I actually think running this setup . Trash packs ; MT > Ebon/Alkosh , OT > PA/Alkosh . Boss fights ; MT > Ebon/PA , OT > Tava’s or Dragon/PA .

    It might be at first . When someone starts playing tank , they just focus on self survival because tanks shouldn’t die obviously . This is just a reflex that you can get rid of once you learn how to survive by heart . Things you have to do to survive , you will just do without noticing . When you get to that point , you start doing other stuff like letting block go , doing rotations , keeping buffs/debuffs more constantly , supporting group better in general .

    My advice for a beginner tank would be this . Do few things only and only focus on those . Keep taunt , don’t move boss , do mechanics properly , self survival and sustain . As you see , I didn’t mention any group support . If you do only these things , group members will be happy and say you are good tank because it didn’t affect them in a bad way . This is what a beginner tank should do . After some time , you will start to feel useless . That’s when you know you need to improve . Feeling useless means there is room for improvement . That’s when you start thinking about group . When you start having 100% uptime on Crusher , Engulfing Flames , Blockade , Heroic Slash and stuff like that ; your team will be happier . You will also see a noticable DPS increase in group . It goes this way with time . Just need practice and experience .

    Btw , here is a rotation I use (yes you can do rotations as tank ^^) whenever I can :

    Pierce Armor > LA > Heroic Slash > LA > Igneous Shield > Swap > Blockade > LA > Engulfing Flames > Swap > Balance > LA > Balance > LA

    With this rotation , you can keep every single buff these skills give (also Crusher) with 100% uptime . Just block heavy attacks and throw heavy attacks in middle when necessary . Just do this rotation whenever you can and it is not risky . Don’t forget , your main responsibility is self survival .

    More importantly , learn how to theorycraft as a tank . You need to know EVERYTHING about what class is using what and what is BiS . That’s what support tanking sets do . Covering lack of DDs . Also learn what tanks need while theorycrafting . Here is a link that you should read top to buttom and understand what it says . That’s really important when you build your tank and see you resistance values being low . If you understand what that thread says , you will know that those numbers aren’t really important .

    Any other questions , just ask :)

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    Hello Liofa,

    I see that you are recommending staff for back bar use and this gives me some questions.

    1. Can you keep up your Crushing enchant at least 90% of the time while you use a staff on your back bar?

    2. I have been urged to use Blade Cloak on my off bar as a way to have higher crusher time. Do you think that such a marginal DPS increase offered by that idea beats out the marginal DPS increase offered by the Elemental Blockade idea?

    3. How are you liking Alkosh as of now? I personally am very fond of the set, but am thinking about trying out a staff. Of course, if I did that, I would lose out on the versatility of synergies that may happen to only appear when I am using my off bar skills and Alkosh 5 piece is broken. Another thought is to use some medium armor and have Torugs Pact become the broken up set. What are your ideas?

    4. I was told that value provided by Engulfing Flames is marginal because the group I am in has many stamina users. Should I discard that idea? Engulfing seems pretty good…

    5. My group is practicing boss 1 burn strategy in HOF and I am having a tough time adapting to this strategy. Are you personally able to maintain enough purges for the group, but also have global cool downs to use for your back bar skills at the same time?

    Thank you very much for thinking about my questions. It is great to stop by and discuss things with you.

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    Hey ! Thanks for comment .

    1- Yes , below 95% is bad if you are using Blockade .

    2- Blade Cloak is nowhere close to Blockade in terms of Crusher uptime . Blade Cloak gives insane damage mitigation but sometimes doesn’t proc Crusher . It does damage every 3 seconds so it is another unreliability from that as well . Used both in raid environment and can easily say . Blockade is much better .

    3- I like Alkosh for trash packs , I don’t like it for single target unless both tanks are running it . Even then , it is not 100% uptime .

    4- Engulfing is good . If you have spot , use it . Most Stamina DKs use Standart of Might and Flames of Oblivion . Most Magicka users use Fiery Weapon Enchantment . Sorcerers use Maw of the Infernal monster set . Some Nightblades use Fire Blockade . There are more Fire damage than people realise . It is not a must , but very good .

    5- You can simply spam purge with Balance but that won’t work if you do it only yourself . Both tanks and healers need to spam Purge if you want the nuke tactic to work . Especially when adds enrage .

    Hope this helps :)

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    Thank you for the quick answers.

    One elaboration that I hope to receive is with regards to the burn strategy.

    Should tanks be trying to do anything besides taunt, purge, and balance?

    Additionally, I may try using both Torugs and Alkosh at the same time. What set do you think is better to break up for when I am on my back bar? I could also consider not having a 2 piece monster set for these purposes.

    Are you still using vampire Drain Essence anywhere? Do you use Elusive Mist on boss 4?

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    Personofsecrets said on October 10, 2017 :

    Thank you for the quick answers.

    One elaboration that I hope to receive is with regards to the burn strategy.

    Should tanks be trying to do anything besides taunt, purge, and balance?

    Additionally, I may try using both Torugs and Alkosh at the same time. What set do you think is better to break up for when I am on my back bar? I could also consider not having a 2 piece monster set for these purposes.

    Are you still using vampire Drain Essence anywhere? Do you use Elusive Mist on boss 4?

    DDs using Purge when they need it is more valuable for group actually . If DDs are not using , you should focus on just purging and taunting and nothing else .

    Keep Torug’s on both bars and use Weakening on back bar for even more damage reduction . You can still use Alkosh even it is on only one bar but Torug’s on Weakening is insane . Especially with Infused . Keep your monster set and use Lord Warden if possible .

    I don’t use Drain on DK tank . I use it on Warden tank though , which is my main PvE tank now . I converted my DK tank for PvP purposes .

    I do use Mist on 4th boss . That’s actually how I killed 4th boss my first time , using it ever since .

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    Thanks again Liofa – I’m going to try out these recommendations this week.

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    Are you liking Lord Warden for just certain bosses?

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    Personofsecrets said on October 10, 2017 :

    Are you liking Lord Warden for just certain bosses?

    Yep . Any boss that hits hard to your DDs . Especially on Assembly General . Lord Warden makes a huge difference .

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    Liofa said on October 10, 2017 :

    I use it on Warden tank though , which is my main PvE tank now .

    Any chance of a post/video for that build? :)

     

    I do have a question about this build though. I notice that your magicka is slightly higher than your stamina, which I assume is due to racial passives.  If I’m not mistaken, that means when you synergize a shard or orb, you’re getting magicka back.

     

    Should tanks running this build ensure their magicka pool is slightly higher than their stamina pool?  Or does it not matter as there are plenty of ways to transfer one resource to another?

     

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    DaddySkoal said on October 14, 2017 :

    Any chance of a post/video for that build?

    It is on Liofa’s channel.

     

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    Have  you considered using any light or medium armor for the purposes of gaining the Evocation or Athletics passives?

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    DaddySkoal said on October 14, 2017 :

    Liofa said on October 10, 2017 :

    I use it on Warden tank though , which is my main PvE tank now .

    Any chance of a post/video for that build?

    I do have a question about this build though. I notice that your magicka is slightly higher than your stamina, which I assume is due to racial passives. If I’m not mistaken, that means when you synergize a shard or orb, you’re getting magicka back.

    Should tanks running this build ensure their magicka pool is slightly higher than their stamina pool? Or does it not matter as there are plenty of ways to transfer one resource to another?

    Hey :) Latin already posted the video but I could say few things . That build on the video is for pledges . I am running a different build for trials . Since next patch is really close , I’ll wait until it goes live before I make a guide on the Warden build .

    Personofsecrets said on October 18, 2017 :

    Have you considered using any light or medium armor for the purposes of gaining the Evocation or Athletics passives?

    Sustain is already high enough and I need as much tankiness as I can get . Full Heavy is better for that . Of course , difference would be minimal and won’t even be noticable . Doesn’t matter really , just go with what you like . Just make sure you go 7/0/0 or 5/1/1 so you get to keep your Health at maximum . Going 5/2/0 reduces your Max Health due to Undaunted .

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