Stamina Nightblade PvE DPS Guide for One Tamriel

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    bodidharma99

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    hey jeckll, do you know a good mag nb build for trials…cuz right now my guild dosent want any stam build in VMOL. It is pissing me off that my stamblade is not wanted in vmol….i ve been working so hard to get all the gear, maelstrom weapons, etc. And i have to ditch him to play with my alt.

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    Jeckll

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    bodidharma99 said on January 8, 2017 :

    hey jeckll, do you know a good mag nb build for trials…cuz right now my guild dosent want any stam build in VMOL. It is pissing me off that my stamblade is not wanted in vmol….i ve been working so hard to get all the gear, maelstrom weapons, etc. And i have to ditch him to play with my alt.

    Im using the one of mashinate. Her build can be found here : http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Difference being I dont believe in bsw being best in slot for mageblade (I think Scatching Mage) but that’s in no way calculated, just my feeling when looking at the bsw uptime from a mageblade in my guild.

    I think the build is good in general, I just dont understand why your raid wants you to play the lowest dps option.

    Really anything beats mageblade in terms of dps atm.

     

    Player: @Jeckll || Guild: Chimaira – Raidgroup Hydra || Server: EU

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    OG-Zavist

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    Hey mate,

    I recently started the game and have been following your guide closely.

     

    I have been getting a bit frustrated as I have used 100+ keys and are yet to see Kragh Medium shoulders, let alone with Divines trait.

    Currently using Kragh Light Infused shoulders as these are the only ones that i have seen drop so far.

     

    I want to see if you have any opinion on the nerfs that are coming to Monster helm sets, will this greatly impact your build??

    Am i wasting my time, day in day out trying to get these shoulders, if the nerf hits and they become redundant.

     

    Any guidance or insight would be appreciated.

     

    Cheers.

     

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    Jeckll

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    OG-Zavist said on January 10, 2017 :

    Hey mate,

    I recently started the game and have been following your guide closely.

    I have been getting a bit frustrated as I have used 100+ keys and are yet to see Kragh Medium shoulders, let alone with Divines trait.

    Currently using Kragh Light Infused shoulders as these are the only ones that i have seen drop so far.

    I want to see if you have any opinion on the nerfs that are coming to Monster helm sets, will this greatly impact your build??

    Am i wasting my time, day in day out trying to get these shoulders, if the nerf hits and they become redundant.

    Any guidance or insight would be appreciated.

    Cheers.

    Dont have an opinion, yet. Our Characters will be copied next Monday. So I wait until I have my own char on PTS. If repends entirely on how much total damae we can do after all the changes as Monster Procs offer a static damage while using 2x a 1piece offers a scaling bonus. So there is a point where the scaling damage increase beats the static damage increase of Monster procs. But without knowing what our total dps will be, I cant tell what will be better.

     

    Player: @Jeckll || Guild: Chimaira – Raidgroup Hydra || Server: EU

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    wizzo45

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    A few notes from limited PTS testing:

    DPS loss was in the neighborhood of 2.5k. Not huge, and likely can be made up (in part) via extra champ points…but it was noticeable for me. (I was testing on a template character I used for dummy crafting – was quick and late, so will return later in the week to do a little more controlled work).

    Trap may need to be releveled after the changes – so this could be a factor (again, was on the template character).

    As I expected, the Focus change did create some minor sustain issues. Not gamechanging, but did need to pay attention and use siphoning attacks much more than I normally would.

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    OG-Zavist said on January 10, 2017 :

    Hey mate,

    I recently started the game and have been following your guide closely.

    I have been getting a bit frustrated as I have used 100+ keys and are yet to see Kragh Medium shoulders, let alone with Divines trait.

    Currently using Kragh Light Infused shoulders as these are the only ones that i have seen drop so far.

    I want to see if you have any opinion on the nerfs that are coming to Monster helm sets, will this greatly impact your build??

    Am i wasting my time, day in day out trying to get these shoulders, if the nerf hits and they become redundant.

    Any guidance or insight would be appreciated.

    Cheers.

    Your Kra’gh light Infused shoulders are fine, especially if you have your Undaunted Mettle passive leveled.  I run a Heavy Divines Kra’gh helm and a Light Divines Kra’gh shoulder.  I stopped farming for the Medium Divines Kra’gh shoulder a long time ago.  Undaunted shoulders are the worst RNG grind in the game outside of Maelstrom weapons.

    One Divines armor piece of Legendary quality adds 0.825% critical (11 * 0.075) assuming you’re using The Thief.  It’s not a huge difference.

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    bodidharma99

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    i did 83 sec on bloodspawn till 10% i started with heavy attack/poison inject then trap. caltrops.endless.change bar.rending.light weave rapid strike till relentless pops then rebuff relentless then rapid.change bar.trap.medium attack/poison injection.endless.change bar.rending etc…is it correct? how cab i upgrade my rotation and at 25% refresh my memory on which dot to keep up plz. thx jeckll

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    Jeckll

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    bodidharma99 said on January 11, 2017 :

    i did 83 sec on bloodspawn till 10% i started with heavy attack/poison inject then trap. caltrops.endless.change bar.rending.light weave rapid strike till relentless pops then rebuff relentless then rapid.change bar.trap.medium attack/poison injection.endless.change bar.rending etc…is it correct? how cab i upgrade my rotation and at 25% refresh my memory on which dot to keep up plz. thx jeckll

     

    In every rotation, I use Light Attack Weaving for every skill I use, even buffs. I also block cancel or swap cancel the animation of most of my skills.

    1) Buff Relentless Focus, Siphoning Attacks
    2) Razor Caltrops, Essence of Weapon Damage, Endless Hail, Poison Injection, Beast Trap, SWAP
    3) Rapid Strikes, Flawless Dawnbreaker, Rapid Strikes, Rending Slashes, Assassin’s Scourge, Relentless Focus, 1-2 Rapid Strikes (until Poison Injection duration is ~3s remaining), SWAP
    4) Beast Trap, Endless Hail, Poison Injection, SWAP
    5) GoTo 3.

    Keep Relentless Focus and Caltrops up. Always use Rapid Strikes before you reapply your DOTs (Beast Trap doesnt consume the Buff you get from Rapid Strikes (“Cruel Flurry”) but it does benefit from it. That’s why we use Endless Hail between Beast Trap and Poison Injection). Also use Rapid Strikes before you use Flawless Dawnbreaker/Rend. If every Dot is running, you have a little window where you spam 1-2x Rapid Strikes. When your target is below 25%, you use Killer’s Blade in this time window only and dont reapply Rending Slashes. KEEP THE FOLLOWING DOTS UP even when executing: Beast Trap, Endless Hail, Poison Injection.

     

    wizzo45 said on January 11, 2017 :

    A few notes from limited PTS testing:

    DPS loss was in the neighborhood of 2.5k. Not huge, and likely can be made up (in part) via extra champ points…but it was noticeable for me. (I was testing on a template character I used for dummy crafting – was quick and late, so will return later in the week to do a little more controlled work).

    Trap may need to be releveled after the changes – so this could be a factor (again, was on the template character).

    As I expected, the Focus change did create some minor sustain issues. Not gamechanging, but did need to pay attention and use siphoning attacks much more than I normally would.

    Including the fact that Minor Slayer doesnt work on the dummy, you didnt lose any damage at all or the decrease is very small.

    LiquidPony said on January 11, 2017 :

    OG-Zavist said on January 10, 2017 :

    Hey mate,

    I recently started the game and have been following your guide closely.

    I have been getting a bit frustrated as I have used 100+ keys and are yet to see Kragh Medium shoulders, let alone with Divines trait.

    Currently using Kragh Light Infused shoulders as these are the only ones that i have seen drop so far.

    I want to see if you have any opinion on the nerfs that are coming to Monster helm sets, will this greatly impact your build??

    Am i wasting my time, day in day out trying to get these shoulders, if the nerf hits and they become redundant.

    Any guidance or insight would be appreciated.

    Cheers.

    Your Kra’gh light Infused shoulders are fine, especially if you have your Undaunted Mettle passive leveled. I run a Heavy Divines Kra’gh helm and a Light Divines Kra’gh shoulder. I stopped farming for the Medium Divines Kra’gh shoulder a long time ago. Undaunted shoulders are the worst RNG grind in the game outside of Maelstrom weapons.

    One Divines armor piece of Legendary quality adds 0.825% critical (11 * 0.075) assuming you’re using The Thief. It’s not a huge difference.

    No reason not the use at least a Kra’gh Medium Helm.

    Player: @Jeckll || Guild: Chimaira – Raidgroup Hydra || Server: EU

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    bodidharma99

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    thx alot and forgot to mention that we cannot use ultis in our guild dps test so thats why i didnt put any in there.

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    Jeckll

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    bodidharma99 said on January 12, 2017 :

    thx alot and forgot to mention that we cannot use ultis in our guild dps test so thats why i didnt put any in there.

    Doesnt change much, just skip the ulti part :)

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    While we’re on the subject of dps testing. I ran a bloodspawn the other day and pulled an 87sec with out malestrom dagger/axe using incap. In you guys opinion do u feel That’s a solid number with out the weapons..Will any content hold me up as a dd…what’s a solid number to shoot for with and with out the weapons?

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    wizzo45

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    Jeckll said on January 11, 2017 :

    wizzo45 said on January 11, 2017 :

    A few notes from limited PTS testing:

    DPS loss was in the neighborhood of 2.5k. Not huge, and likely can be made up (in part) via extra champ points…but it was noticeable for me. (I was testing on a template character I used for dummy crafting – was quick and late, so will return later in the week to do a little more controlled work).

    Trap may need to be releveled after the changes – so this could be a factor (again, was on the template character).

    As I expected, the Focus change did create some minor sustain issues. Not gamechanging, but did need to pay attention and use siphoning attacks much more than I normally would.

    Including the fact that Minor Slayer doesnt work on the dummy, you didnt lose any damage at all or the decrease is very small.

    I did not know that. Seems short sighted on ZOS’ part, but is what it is. Thanks for the info! Will swap to Agility for future testing, in that case. Should have some time on Saturday to work in a more controlled manner – certainly not as helpful as your work, but hope to at least provide an additional data point.

    With that in mind, do you have any early thoughts on what sets might challenge the current meta? I have some (likely poor) ideas that I want to test, but tend to think TBS will continue to be the best (albeit slightly worse) choice, due to the health bonus…

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    if i cast caltrop on a bar with 4 night mother and switch back to a bar 5 nightmother will the nm debuff proc?

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    Jeckll

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    bodidharma99 said on January 13, 2017 :

    if i cast caltrop on a bar with 4 night mother and switch back to a bar 5 nightmother will the nm debuff proc?

    Yes. As soon as you crit on the 5pc bar.

     

    wizzo45 said on January 12, 2017 :

    With that in mind, do you have any early thoughts on what sets might challenge the current meta? I have some (likely poor) ideas that I want to test, but tend to think TBS will continue to be the best (albeit slightly worse) choice, due tothe health bonus…

    My Character will be copied to PTS today. Doesnt make sense to test stuff with 561 CP Templates so I didnt care so far. Dont think TBS will stay on top, though.

     

     

    rougetoaster45 said on January 12, 2017 :

    While we’re on the subject of dps testing. I ran a bloodspawn the other day and pulled an 87sec with out malestrom dagger/axe using incap. In you guys opinion do u feel That’s a solid number with out the weapons..Will any content hold me up as a dd…what’s a solid number to shoot for with and with out the weapons?

    Bloodspawn has 3 Million HP (in vet) so 87s means you did 34.5k DPS. I think you will be fine doing whatever PvE content you want to tackle (if you did it selfbuffed without group support). Obviously, there is room to improve but most obvious thing would be to get MSA Weapons which will most likely be a very long journey if you are not extremly lucky. Maybe the changes next Patch will help you reaching the goal faster.

     

    Player: @Jeckll || Guild: Chimaira – Raidgroup Hydra || Server: EU

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    bodidharma99

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    i didnt see whats gonna happen next patch with vmsa. Do they change the way weapons deop or something?

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    Jeckll

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    bodidharma99 said on January 16, 2017 :

    i didnt see whats gonna happen next patch with vmsa. Do they change the way weapons deop or something?

    Dual Wield will drop 2 items after the patch (much like 1h/shield does drop the items for both hands at once). So whenever you are lucky enough to loot a 1handed weapon, you will get two.

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    nice!

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    Jeckll said on January 16, 2017 :

    bodidharma99 said on January 13, 2017 :

    if i cast caltrop on a bar with 4 night mother and switch back to a bar 5 nightmother will the nm debuff proc?

    Yes. As soon as you crit on the 5pc bar.

    wizzo45 said on January 12, 2017 :

    With that in mind, do you have any early thoughts on what sets might challenge the current meta? I have some (likely poor) ideas that I want to test, but tend to think TBS will continue to be the best (albeit slightly worse) choice, due tothe health bonus…

    My Character will be copied to PTS today. Doesnt make sense to test stuff with 561 CP Templates so I didnt care so far. Dont think TBS will stay on top, though.

    rougetoaster45 said on January 12, 2017 :

    While we’re on the subject of dps testing. I ran a bloodspawn the other day and pulled an 87sec with out malestrom dagger/axe using incap. In you guys opinion do u feel That’s a solid number with out the weapons..Will any content hold me up as a dd…what’s a solid number to shoot for with and with out the weapons?

    Bloodspawn has 3 Million HP (in vet) so 87s means you did 34.5k DPS. I think you will be fine doing whatever PvE content you want to tackle (if you did it selfbuffed without group support). Obviously, there is room to improve but most obvious thing would be to get MSA Weapons which will most likely be a very long journey if you are not extremly lucky. Maybe the changes next Patch will help you reaching the goal faster.

    iv been getting very disappointed by what people are saying and the patch notes themselve. Alcast has a write-up on the official forums about why stamp DD will die and there’s no reason to bring them into vet trials anymore. He goes on to say that with the changes to Destro passives that it’s going to close the gap in damage single-target between stamina and Magic. I hope none of it’s true because I really like playing on my Nightblade

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    Jeckll

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    rougetoaster45 said on January 16, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on January 16, 2017 :

    Yes. As soon as you crit on the 5pc bar.

    My Character will be copied to PTS today. Doesnt make sense to test stuff with 561 CP Templates so I didnt care so far. Dont think TBS will stay on top, though.

    Bloodspawn has 3 Million HP (in vet) so 87s means you did 34.5k DPS. I think you will be fine doing whatever PvE content you want to tackle (if you did it selfbuffed without group support). Obviously, there is room to improve but most obvious thing would be to get MSA Weapons which will most likely be a very long journey if you are not extremly lucky. Maybe the changes next Patch will help you reaching the goal faster.

    iv been getting very disappointed by what people are saying and the patch notes themselve. Alcast has a write-up on the official forums about why stamp DD will die and there’s no reason to bring them into vet trials anymore. He goes on to say that with the changes to Destro passives that it’s going to close the gap in damage single-target between stamina and Magic. I hope none of it’s true because I really like playing on my Nightblade

    Well I hate to bring the News, but if the patch stays like that, Stamblade will most likely be the worst possible choice for endgame PvE.

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    rougetoaster45

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    Jeckll said on January 16, 2017 :

    rougetoaster45 said on January 16, 2017 :

    iv been getting very disappointed by what people are saying and the patch notes themselve. Alcast has a write-up on the official forums about why stamp DD will die and there’s no reason to bring them into vet trials anymore. He goes on to say that with the changes to Destro passives that it’s going to close the gap in damage single-target between stamina and Magic. I hope none of it’s true because I really like playing on my Nightblade

    Well I hate to bring the News, but if the patch stays like that, Stamblade will most likely be the worst possible choice for endgame PvE.

     

    Bro that hurts my heart to hear..Lol guess me and the ole mag sorc will be a lot closer from here on out

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