Stamina Nightblade PvE DPS For Morrowind

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    Jeckll

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 18, 2017 :

    Have you tried using the Disease enchant on the off-hand instead of Berserker? Was just thinking about it since its what I use in vMA ^^

    Nope, not really. Have you found it being worth it?

    Maybe with infused?

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    Ephemeron

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    Hello, Jeckll.

     

    First of all i would like to thank you for great guide, it a bible for stam NB.

    I am able to parse 38-40k with TFS+War Machine+Kragh setup at my 530cp. I have infused axe, so the question is, what is the Champion points allocation with infused weapon, what is safest to sacrifice for extra penetration?

     

    And a theoretical question, your gear setup for Trials uses 2xWar machine weapons, so when swapping to bow bar you lose 4item WM bonus wich is huge(129 Weapon Damage), so I tried 1WM+1TFS weapon setup, to not lose TFS penetration stacks I  swap to DW bar after endless hail, wich is good to cancel animation, and use rending slashes to refresh TFS stacks, then back to bow and go on as guide says. Able to keep TFS above 90%, do i miss something, of is 10%more TFS stacks more important then WM weapon damage bonus?

     

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    Jeckll said on June 18, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 18, 2017 :

    Have you tried using the Disease enchant on the off-hand instead of Berserker? Was just thinking about it since its what I use in vMA ^^

    Nope, not really. Have you found it being worth it?

    Maybe with infused?

    Haven’t tested anything yet, but something tells me that it may be either just as good or better. I kind of dropped playing on PC for the time being due to my PC not being as performant as I need, so I’m back on Xbox until I buy a proper PC and some proper parts for it. But what this means is that I no longer have access to Combat Metrics therefore can’t test this stuff myself.

    In vMA its like an extra proc that helps burst down a mob. Considering that the off-hand glyph procs slightly less often, I’m thinking it will still deal slightly less damage than the poison glyph (and the poison glyph does a lot of free DPS).

    How much of a damage increase is 348 weapon damage with 50% uptime? Something around 2-3%, right? For your 46k parse that’s 920 extra DPS. I really think that the Disease enchant will be doing more, both with Infused and with Sharpened.

    Btw, seen Zantaria’s stream where he got you a War Machine dagger, lucky you! ;)

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    Ephemeron said on June 19, 2017 :

    Hello,Jeckll.

    First of all i would like to thank you for great guide, it a bible for stam NB.

    I am able to parse 38-40k with TFS+War Machine+Kragh setup at my 530cp. I have infused axe, so the question is, what is the Champion points allocation with infused weapon, what is safest to sacrifice for extra penetration?

    And a theoretical question, your gear setup for Trials uses 2xWar machine weapons, so when swapping to bow bar you lose 4item WM bonus wich is huge(129Weapon Damage), so I tried1WM+1TFS weapon setup, to not lose TFS penetration stacks I swap to DW bar after endless hail, wich is good to cancel animation, and use rending slashes to refresh TFS stacks, then back to bow and go on as guide says. Able to keep TFS above 90%, do i miss something, of is 10%more TFS stacks more important then WM weapon damage bonus?

    The 129 weapon damage from War Machine’s 4th piece is made up by the vMA bow enchant of 189 weapon damage, so you’re just losing DPS without gaining anything :P And the penetration from TFS is much stronger than 129 weapon damage either way. About the stacks: when you “lose a stack” of TFS, you lose the whole 5k penetration. Same thing with Hawk Eye, once you build up 5 stacks, 5 seconds later you’ll have 0 stacks and not 4 contrary to what a lot of people think.

    A good CP setup for Infused would be 49 Mighty, 40 Thaumaturge, 37 Master-at-Arms, 32 Piercing, 52 Precise Strikes. You have to wear Kra’gh too. :)

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 19, 2017 :

    The 129 weapon damage from War Machine’s 4th piece is made up by the vMA bow enchant of 189 weapon damage

    I just checked, swapped to bow and removed 4th War Machine item, Weapon Damage dropped by 159

     

    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 19, 2017 :

    A good CP setup for Infused would be 49 Mighty, 40 Thaumaturge, 37 Master-at-Arms, 32 Piercing, 52 Precise Strikes. You have to wear Kra’gh too.

     

    100 Base + Kra’gh 1935 + TFS 5000 + one sharpened 2580 + Major Fracture 5280 +2838 from CP  = 17733

    Not so good Imho

     

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    Ephemeron said on June 19, 2017 :

    Hello,Jeckll.

    First of all i would like to thank you for great guide, it a bible for stam NB.

    I am able to parse 38-40k with TFS+War Machine+Kragh setup at my 530cp. I have infused axe, so the question is, what is the Champion points allocation with infused weapon, what is safest to sacrifice for extra penetration?

    And a theoretical question, your gear setup for Trials uses 2xWar machine weapons, so when swapping to bow bar you lose 4item WM bonus wich is huge(129Weapon Damage), so I tried1WM+1TFS weapon setup, to not lose TFS penetration stacks I swap to DW bar after endless hail, wich is good to cancel animation, and use rending slashes to refresh TFS stacks, then back to bow and go on as guide says. Able to keep TFS above 90%, do i miss something, of is 10%more TFS stacks more important then WM weapon damage bonus?

    The Bow bar always has less Weapon Damage than the DW bar. That’s not important, thats just how the game is. What is important is the stacks of TFS. Combat Metrics might show you a high uptime, but its not 5 Stacks uptime, its just uptime. So when ever you swap to bow for 3s or longer, you lose all stacks and have to reapply whenever you are on DW bar which pretty much means you are almost never getting the 5k Pen. 160 Weapon Damage is pretty much between 1-2% Damage while each stack of TFS penetration is 2%. So if you lose only 1 Stack, its already worse than losing 160 WD.

    The swapping around messes up your timing and wont work in actual trial very well due to lag and the inability to stay on the boss the whole time. You need to be able to keep TFS up 100% even on the bow bar.

    Try this CP Setup:
    31 Master at Arms, 40 Thaumaturge, 52 Precise Strikes, 38 Piercing, 49 Mighty.

    Penetration should be 100+5000+1935+2580+5280+3250 [CP] = 18145.

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    Hey there! This is my first Stamina DPS build as i’ve only done Magicka before.

    So running 5pc Night Mother’s, 5pc Spriggins, 2pc Velidreth making my Physical Pen Basically 18.2k

    100 [Base] – 5280 [Major Fracture] + 5160 [Sharpened] + 2580 [NMG] + 3721 [Spriggins] + as close to 1359 as possible [cp] = 18.2k

     

    This is obviously not BiS but would you say it’s a very good alternative? That would serve me well until I can farm TFS and Vicious Ophidian?

     

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    Ephemeron said on June 19, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 19, 2017 :

    The 129 weapon damage from War Machine’s 4th piece is made up by the vMA bow enchant of 189 weapon damage

    I just checked, swapped to bow and removed 4th War Machine item,Weapon Damage dropped by 159

    That’s normal considering that DW has higher base weapon damage than Bow ;)

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    Jeckll said on June 19, 2017 :

    Try this CP Setup:
    31 Master at Arms, 40 Thaumaturge, 52 Precise Strikes, 38 Piercing, 49 Mighty.

    Penetration should be 100+5000+1935+2580+5280+3250 [CP] = 18145.

    Damn, that means I was using the wrong CP setup throughout the whole PTS and up until now…?! #noob Still my highest so far was 45.8k with Hunding’s and 12 points into health (not as OP as you though, still working on that :D)

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 19, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on June 19, 2017 :

    Try this CP Setup:
    31 Master at Arms, 40 Thaumaturge, 52 Precise Strikes, 38 Piercing, 49 Mighty.

    Penetration should be 100+5000+1935+2580+5280+3250 [CP] = 18145.

    Damn, that means I was using the wrong CP setup throughout the whole PTS and up until now…?! #noob Still my highest so far was 45.8k with Hunding’s and 12 points into health (not as OP as you though, still working on that :D)

    Well i can’t calc the 100% best setup as your rotation has an impact as well as infused vs sharp. But it will work out pretty well i think.

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    JKith said on June 19, 2017 :

    Hey there! This is my first Stamina DPS build as i’ve only done Magicka before.

    So running 5pc Night Mother’s, 5pc Spriggins, 2pc Velidreth making my Physical Pen Basically 18.2k

    100 [Base] – 5280 [Major Fracture] + 5160 [Sharpened] + 2580 [NMG] + 3721 [Spriggins] + as close to 1359 as possible [cp] = 18.2k

    This is obviously not BiS but would you say it’s a very good alternative? That would serve me well until I can farm TFS and Vicious Ophidian?

    Sure, that will work. Make sure to have NMG Weapons, not Spriggan.

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    Jeckll said on June 19, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 19, 2017 :

    Damn, that means I was using the wrong CP setup throughout the whole PTS and up until now…?! #noob Still my highest so far was 45.8k with Hunding’s and 12 points into health (not as OP as you though, still working on that :D)

    Well i can’t calc the 100% best setup as your rotation has an impact as well as infused vs sharp. But it will work out pretty well i think.

    My rotation is basically the same as yours except that I double bar Incap and I use Leeching Strikes

    Still can’t decide whether I prefer Infused or Sharp, although I’m leaning towards Sharp because Velidreth.

    You tried out that Disease glyph by the way? :o

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 20, 2017 :

    You tried out that Disease glyph by the way?

     

    I did a 6m parse with Poison Offhand and got ~900 DPS from it.

     

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    I’ve started to see some people using selenes. Especially for Nightblade I think it would be a strong set with the new master at arms bonus. Plus the one piece gets buffed by war horn in trial setting. Has anyone played around with it? I, of course, deleted my divines selenes because who would use that in PvE? Anywho, curious to see someone else get some testing with it on PC where the numbers are more easy to look at. Thanks.

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    ReXwithaT said on June 21, 2017 :

    I’ve started to see some people using selenes. Especially for Nightblade I think it would be a strong set with the new master at arms bonus. Plus the one piece gets buffed by war horn in trial setting. Has anyone played around with it? I, of course, deleted my divines selenes because who would use that in PvE? Anywho, curious to see someone else get some testing with it on PC where the numbers are more easy to look at. Thanks.

    Its more a PvP thing. The 1pc alone makes the set much worse. 1k Stam is about 1% damage increase compared to a massive 3.87% damage increase from kra’gh.

     

    Comparing the procc whole require a parse imho. Selene only proccs on direct melee damage – so LA/HA and Surprise Attack only on DW bar. Velidreth proccs from any damage. So pretty sure you wont see a Selene Procc ever 4s while its pretty likely to procc Velidreth close to cooldown. Plus of cause AoE capabilities.

    I personally cant test Selene – dont have it and the numbers on paper do not justify the grind for me.

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    Just here to say awesome parses on the vHoF bosses, Jeckll, and I also wanted to thank you again as I beat veteran Maw of Lorkaj for the first time yesterday (on Hard Mode, too!) With a raid leader who up until now would not allow stamina users into the trial.

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    I was doing it on a different PC and didn’t have time to download combat metrics, hence the lame damage meter. I’m pretty okay with pulling nearly 40k on Rakkhat for my first time up against him :)

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    Soulflame said on June 21, 2017 :

    Just here to say awesome parses on the vHoF bosses, Jeckll, and I also wanted to thank you again as I beat veteran Maw of Lorkaj for the first time yesterday (on Hard Mode, too!) With a raid leader who up until now would not allow stamina users into the trial.

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    I was doing it on a different PC and didn’t have time to download combat metrics, hence the lame damage meter. I’m pretty okay with pulling nearly 40k on Rakkhat for my first time up against him

    Great, congratz!

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    Hey Jeckll great build man. I just recently switched from magblade to stamblade and now I really enjoy playing this build. But I do have a question, would it be alright to use spriggans set until I get twice fang and or is there a better option?

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    Kermitdakilla said on June 23, 2017 :

    Hey Jeckll great build man. I just recently switched from magblade to stamblade and now I really enjoy playing this build. But I do have a question, would it be alright to use spriggans set until I get twice fang and or is there a better option?

    Works fine. You dont need to farm sth else. Have fun with your Stamblade, man!

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    The build is starting gel for me now. Getting into the 30’s on DPS tests.

    I’m able to sustain well in boss rotation, but not so much in trash AoE situation.

    What is your rotation for AoE Trash? What I do now is (leech – focus) then trap – hail – caltrops – Tornado spam… which runs be dry real fast…

    Do you HA between each tornado maybe?

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