Stamina Nightblade PvE DPS For Morrowind

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    Jeckll

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    randomquestionasker said on July 16, 2017 :

    HeyJeckll!

    Im using 5xnmg 5xVO 2Velidreth and i got a possibility to swap nmg with twin fanged.The problem is one of my twin fanged daggers is precise not sharpened so i wonder if i should swap nmg or its not worth it untill i get 2nd tfs dagger in sharpened?also running 0 cp in piercing(49 mighty 43 precise 30 thaumaturge 7 master-at-arms 380 cp)yet should i consider getting em in order to swap?

    You can’t use tfs weapons. You would lose the penetration stacks whenever you are longer than 3s on the bow bar. Keep Nmg. You should put points into piercing.

    Assuming about 73% Crit Chance and Sharp Weapons, I suggest trying 13 Master at Arms, 28 Thaumaturge, 28 Precise Strikes, 25 Piercing, 32 Mighty

     

    MisterDMC said on July 16, 2017 :

    I do have have a crazy proposal, i’ve been toying with the idea of purposely re enchanting a set of vma weapons. Thinking maybe a vma infused axe and dagger or perhaps a precise set. Then slotting a berserker and poison enchant and runnning either agility or VO could be an interesting option. I may be the only one crazy enough to try this. I need an infused axe to try it though, only have extra nirnhoned ones right now. I’m hoping it will outperform Hundings.

    The weapon damage of vma weapons are bound to the glyph. You will lose it by reenchanting. I know it’s still shown on the character sheet but it doesn’t apply.

     

    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Thanks. I’ll test that out. Any other tips?

    my rotation is usually

    LA, Trap, La, volley, la,caltrops, la, poison injection switch to melee… la, rending, la, bow proc, la, surprise, la, surprise and then back to bow and repeat, refreshing blade cloak and grim assassin as needed. Also after this first time through I usually having attack on the DW bar unless Incap has been used. Which is the only ulti I use

    Just tried the new CP you suggested. Similar results. DPS still sitting around 31-32K. I don’t get it. I WANT to do more, but am beating my head against the wall. I also am on Xbox if that makes any difference at all. I’ll keep trying I guess. Must be a lot of bad players on consoles because a lot of people with better gear and higher CP can’t seem to do above 28K… so the mediocrity of console players is big man.

    You can record a video and I will check if I see what could be improved but without combat metrics, it’s almost impossible to optimize 100%

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    randomquestionasker

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    Thx a lot for response!(74.3 cant get Velis shoulders divines :) after a lots of dummy tests noticed that im doing a lot more deeps with crushing on dual panel rather than on bow so swapped weap dmg to bow and uptime of berserk is the same as when i was on dual panel .still learning weaving but i weave often so honestly dont know whats the reason :C

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    randomquestionasker said on July 17, 2017 :

    Thx a lot for response!(74.3 cant get Velis shoulders divines after a lots of dummy tests noticed that im doing a lot more deeps with crushing on dual panel rather than on bow so swapped weap dmg to bow and uptime of berserk is the same as when i was on dual panel .still learning weaving but i weave often so honestly dont know whats the reason :C

    The Crushing Glyph has a 10s cooldown so its pretty legit to have it on the bow. In general, “a lot more” seems a bit exaggerated as the difference between having the glyph or not having it is way lower than 2%. So a few % extra uptime is something you cant feel in actual combat. I mean 1% more DPS if you do 40k in total would mean you do 40.4k.

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    Mirana

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    My plan for my final gear is 2x veli 5x VO and 5x TFS.

    Now the only 2 things I need are Veli medium divines shoulder and a decent VO axe (I have an infused dagger).

    Which traits should I look out for when farming that axe?

    Infused > Precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

     

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    Mirana said on July 17, 2017 :

    My plan for my final gear is 2x veli 5x VO and 5x TFS.

    Now the only 2 things I need are Veli medium divines shoulder and a decent VO axe (I have an infused dagger).

    Which traits should I look out for when farming that axe?

    Infused > Precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

    In general:

    Sharp > Infused > Precise > Nirnhorned

    With an infused Dagger, you should aim for a Precise Axe or a Precise 2nd Dagger as well as a Precise vMA Bow to be ready for Update 15.

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    Kermitdakilla

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    Hi Jeckll, could I use 5pc warmachine and 5pc twice fang but not use a monster set and use master/maelstrom weapons? Or would that result in a dps loss?

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    Jeckll said on July 17, 2017 :

    Mirana said on July 17, 2017 :

    My plan for my final gear is 2x veli 5x VO and 5x TFS.

    Now the only 2 things I need are Veli medium divines shoulder and a decent VO axe (I have an infused dagger).

    Which traits should I look out for when farming that axe?

    Infused > Precise > Nirnhoned > Sharpened?

    In general:

    Sharp > Infused > Precise > Nirnhorned

    With an infused Dagger, you should aim for a Precise Axe or a Precise 2nd Dagger as well as a Precise vMA Bow to be ready for Update 15.

    Okay great, I have a couple of precise vMA bows but no sharpened one :P Also, interesting that your trait priorities vary so much from Asayre’s (even if they’re mag only)

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    Mirana said on July 17, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on July 17, 2017 :

    In general:

    Sharp > Infused > Precise > Nirnhorned

    With an infused Dagger, you should aim for a Precise Axe or a Precise 2nd Dagger as well as a Precise vMA Bow to be ready for Update 15.

    Okay great, I have a couple of precise vMA bows but no sharpened one Also,interesting that your trait priorities vary so much from Asayre’s (even if they’re mag only)

    It doesn’t. Asayre has the same priority. Check this

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/page/12/#post-685385

    But there are differences between Stam and mag, especially when considering infused as we benefit way more from it.

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    Kermitdakilla said on July 17, 2017 :

    Hi Jeckll, could I use 5pc warmachine and 5pc twice fang but not use a monster set and use master/maelstrom weapons? Or would that result in a dps loss?

    Yes, you can use it and yes, it’s a dps lost.

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    Rodeo-XO

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    With the spawn of mephala monster set being changed to a max stam increase and a proc damage increase of 5%, will this become a viable option or bis for stationary targets?

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    Rodeo-XO said on July 18, 2017 :

    With the spawn of mephala monster set being changed to a max stam increase and a proc damage increase of 5%, will this become a viable option or bis for stationary targets?

    Viable yes, Bis in stationary combat…maybe for DKs?
    I mean +Stam is a better bonus than +HP but its still a bit weaker than other 1pc bonuses. In stationary fights, I still think Kra’gh performs best..maybe the new one will be pretty good as well.

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    Have you tried PTS? I’m trying different combinations rn, but it seems that my endless hail dmg is roughly the same with and without infused on my dw weapon, can you test it as well?

    Edit: after further testing, i think it was only the 20% dmg from incap that made up when I tried precise ( tried dps ing with Rend when used infused dw), but after using incap with infused dw it seems that the dps is still higher on endless with 1k+, even if the crit % was lower for it. It is kinda hard to test when I miss more weaves than I’d like to and sometimes double cast hail/caltrops because of the 200+ ping that PTS provides for us, EU players.

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    Warfire said on July 18, 2017 :

    Have you tried PTS? I’m trying different combinations rn, but it seems that my endless hail dmg is roughly the same with and without infused on my dw weapon, can you test it as well?

    Edit: after further testing, i think it was only the 20% dmg from incap that made up when I tried precise ( tried dps ing with Rend when used infused dw), but after using incap with infused dw it seems that the dps is still higher on endless with 1k+, even if the crit % was lower for it. It is kinda hard to test when I miss more weaves than I’d like to and sometimes double cast hail/caltrops because of the 200+ ping that PTS provides for us, EU players.

    I don’t test anything on pts until my character is there. Just a waste of time.

    But other theorycrafters did and didn’t find anything not working so I think infused on dw main hand still works for main hand, off hand and vma bow.

    You just need to use recount and compare the damage every hail tick does like i did in the theorycraft section.

    In general if you compare stuff, try to limit the variables to as few as possible.

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    Tigeracer

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    Has anyone thought about the extra crit damage from archers mind?

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    So Jeckll, now that there’s been some testing and talking around next months update, what weapons and armor are you seeing we should be farming/buying that we previously haven’t farmed/bought before the update gets her and prices get insane?  For example, in all of your builds (dungeon, trial, vma, etc) you’ve only used sharpened weapons.  Should we be farming/buying infused and precise?  Is there a particular armor/monster set we should go after a little more.  Please don’t feel the need to go into detail as I know you’re busy and there’s plenty of discussion in this forum, just kind of all over the place.  Just something like:  “VO infused axe and precise dagger, leviathan jewelry and 2x armor divines, etc”. Thank you for your page once again.  Been using it almost exclusively for over 13 months.

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    Tigeracer said on July 19, 2017 :

    Has anyone thought about the extra crit damage from archers mind?

    Increasing you crit damage by 5% is not very good. With 100% crit chance, it would be kind of okay but as it is, there are a lot of better options.

     

     

    Rodeo-XO said on July 19, 2017 :

    So Jeckll, now that there’s been some testing and talking around next months update, what weapons and armor are you seeing we should be farming/buying that we previously haven’t farmed/bought before the update gets her and prices get insane? For example, in all of your builds (dungeon, trial, vma, etc) you’ve only used sharpened weapons. Should we be farming/buying infused and precise? Is there a particular armor/monster set we should go after a little more. Please don’t feel the need to go into detail as I know you’re busy and there’s plenty of discussion in this forum, just kind of all over the place. Just something like: “VO infused axe and precise dagger, leviathan jewelry and 2x armor divines, etc”. Thank you for your page once again. Been using it almost exclusively for over 13 months.

    I didn’t test anything and will not until I get my own character on pts. What seems to be the case when reading and analyzing Asayre’s work as well as some other ppls testing, next patches bis will be highly dependent on the content you are doing and the group you are with.

    I currently aim for infused/precise main and precise bow with the shadow mundus. We plan on adjusting group debuff sets to max penetration so I don’t need lover / sharp.

    Having infused / precise vo weapons would be great.  Might actually be the time to swap back to double dagger. Get a precise vMA bow.

    Save keys as the new monster set might be interesting in some cases.

    You should get golden tfs jewelry. Don’t bother leviathan.

    If you are in a raid with 3 StamDPS, one of you should consider getting Powerful Assault dual wield (infused / precise) + 3 items to get 5 tfs + 5 pa + monster set.

     

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    Jeckll said on May 30, 2017 :

    The ultimate support setup with 5x NMG, 5x Alkosh. The Dot of the 5pc does very good AoE damage as well.

    This is a build I’ve wanted to gear out for a while. I’m sure he’ll just sit on the shelf like he already is anyways…

    I have mixed feelings on a few questions…

     

    Should NMG be swapped out for Sunderflame?
    Velidreth Monster set since already so much penetration? If Sunderflame, Mephala?

    Does it fit the styel for Stam DK or StamBlade better?

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    InfiniteXavier said on July 19, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on May 30, 2017 :

    The ultimate support setup with 5x NMG, 5x Alkosh. The Dot of the 5pc does very good AoE damage as well.

    This is a build I’ve wanted to gear out for a while. I’m sure he’ll just sit on the shelf like he already is anyways…

    I have mixed feelings on a few questions…

    Should NMG be swapped out for Sunderflame?
    Velidreth Monster set since already so much penetration? If Sunderflame, Mephala?

    Does it fit the styel for Stam DK or StamBlade better?

    Well are toying around with different penetration options in the raid atm. You should not swap Nmg for sunderflame. If someone uses it, it’s either a stamDK or a tank. But we don’t like the debuff being single target honestly so we prefer using Nmg atm.

    Velidreth is a given for us as we have caped penetration and kragh doesn’t work very well in vHoF.

    Even with the buff time mephala, I prefer velidreth for being more versatile. I can see sunder + mephala be a thing vs stationary, single target bosses.

    The problem we have is that we need a setup that works for the whole trial. We can’t adjust penetration easily mid trial.

    Regarding alkosh + NMG. I don’t like alkosh anymore tbh. It’s pretty easy to get 100% penetration all the time without having to rely on alkosh uptime. Yes there are encounter where you get decent uptimes but I take the 100% sure penetration rather than hoping the tank gets enough synergies, has time to press it, game actually let’s him press it and boss gets actually hit by the debuff.

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    Jeckll said on July 19, 2017 :

    I don’t like alkosh anymore tbh

     

    Does that opinion change with the decrease to sharpened next patch?

    The problem we are having is taking Staminas at all more than anything. It can sometimes be “too much melee”. If you were ranking NMG, in a world in which TFS is 1, where does NMG fall? Or should 1 NMG always be 1, and then TFS. Gut says TFS is enough alone.

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    So I’ve been testing a little more and it seems that for single target DoTs the impact bar doesn’t matter anymore..!

    Stamina Nightblade ESO Horns of the Reach PTS 48.3k DPS

    So as you can see the only thing that changed in my setup was a Sharpened bow instead of a Precise one. The CP and everything else is the same. So in this parse the Injection crit chance is pretty ugly (58%) but the top hit is slightly higher than in my other parses, as well as the DPS. Now I don’t know whether that’s due to better timing or not, but the Injection DPS did go from 2.7k on average to well over 3k on average (this parse has the lowest crit chance out of all my tests)

    At this point, the DPS increase does seem pretty real though with Horns of the Reach, I mean with 250 ping, I’m managing to get the same DPS as I am getting on Live. My question is: why? I roughly the same stats as I have on the live server, yet the average DPS is much higher. Just to compare, I’ve done 10 parses on Live and 10 parses on the PTS and there’s a difference of about 1.5-2k DPS. That can’t be just from the 10 extra CP, right?

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