Stamina Nightblade PvE DPS For Morrowind

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    IzakiBrotherSs

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    Mirana said on July 12, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on July 12, 2017 :

    Actually with the correct weapons, this beats Leviathan. Might not be Best in Slot but not bad at all. Thanks for reminding me on that one.

    EDIT: Only Healthy Jewelry…not so good after all

    True that.. however this might be compensated with going full stamina, at least partially.. mhh

    Edit: I actually do really think that this would outperform Leviathan, should give it a shot on PTS soonish.

    Edit2: Have you considered this new monster set:

    Domihaus (Monster)
    (1) Max Stamina
    (1) Max Magicka
    (2) When you deal damage, you have a 15% chance to create either a ring of fire or a ring of molten earth around you for 10 seconds, which deals 1,000 Flame Damage or 1,000 Physical Damage every 1 second. Standing within the ring grants you 200 Spell Damage or 200 Weapon Damage. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

    ?

    I think it might become BiS, it’s said to auto detect your highest stat meaning that it will give us max stam + (1k phys dps + 200 wep dmg)*0,66[uptime]

    It might become BiS for stack ‘n burn fights indeed. It depends on the radius of the ring. With the points in Thaum (48) and in Mighty (49), it should be dealing 1.3k tooltip damage which is 858 DPS when its procced off cooldown… So is 858 DPS + 250 weapon damage (Minor and Major Brutality) better than Velidreth?

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    Kind of glad about the trait rebalancing – I already have two precise War Machine weapons! That ought to remain BIS for trials, right?

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    Soulflame said on July 13, 2017 :

    Kind of glad about the trait rebalancing – I already have two precise War Machine weapons! That ought to remain BIS for trials, right?

    I think I will still aim for it but not sure about BIS for individual performance.

    Trial Sets got nerfed basically by buffing 2-4 Set Bonuses while keeping Minor Slayer as it is. Plus a few more CP most likely means even more additive damage increase…will be tough to compete with some “normal” sets

    @Mirana
    The set is quite interesting but you cant use it for all bosses as you need to stand in the circle to gain the Weapon Damage. Should be something I will carry around all the time for specific situations like I do with Selene ^^

     

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    I’ve enjoyed this build over many iterations. Thank you for sharing!

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    Jeckll said on July 13, 2017 :

    Soulflame said on July 13, 2017 :

    Kind of glad about the trait rebalancing – I already have two precise War Machine weapons! That ought to remain BIS for trials, right?

    I think I will still aim for it but not sure about BIS for individual performance.

    Trial Sets got nerfed basically by buffing 2-4 Set Bonuses while keeping Minor Slayer as it is. Plus a few more CP most likely means even more additive damage increase…will be tough to compete with some “normal” sets

    @Mirana
    The set is quite interesting but you cant use it for all bosses as you need to stand in the circle to gain the Weapon Damage. Should be something I will carry around all the time for specific situations like I do with Selene ^^

    Wouldn’t the crit chance be stupidly low with War Machine? I mean… You’re losing 10% crit chance compared to Hunding’s or VO… Plus the additive % modifiers, etc.

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on July 14, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on July 13, 2017 :

    I think I will still aim for it but not sure about BIS for individual performance.

    Trial Sets got nerfed basically by buffing 2-4 Set Bonuses while keeping Minor Slayer as it is. Plus a few more CP most likely means even more additive damage increase…will be tough to compete with some “normal” sets

    @Mirana
    The set is quite interesting but you cant use it for all bosses as you need to stand in the circle to gain the Weapon Damage. Should be something I will carry around all the time for specific situations like I do with Selene ^^

    Wouldn’t the crit chance be stupidly low with War Machine? I mean… You’re losing 10% crit chance compared to Hunding’s or VO… Plus the additive % modifiers, etc.

    A single stat means nothing. You could have 0% crit and still do more dps if you get a certain amount of other DPS increasing factors for it. You always have to compare the full setup to find the best result.

    Seems btw that we will go back to more group oriented play in Update 15 as I REALLY want to skip Lover and Sharpened traits.

    So far, we’re planing this:
    2 Stam DPS
    StamDK: 5x TFS, 5x Sunder
    StamBlade: 5x TFS, 5x NMG

    Penetration: 100 Base + 5000 TFS + 5280 Major Frac + 2580 NMG + 3440 Sunder + 1800 (18 CP) = 18200

    No Lover or Sharp needed.

    We will actually get a 3rd StamDPS with 5 TFS, 5 Powerful Assault which will be insane.

     

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    TFS? Don’t you mean WM since you already hit the pen with nmg+sunderflame? Powerful assault sounds like a great idea, 100% uptime since stam DDs use caltrops.

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    I do have a quick question. I’ve taken a little break from playing( about 3 weeks). As I come back and continue to make my DPS better…

     

    How much DPS as a Khajiit Stamblade should I be doing roughly around CP 380? I have 5 pc hundings divines (all med one heavy). 5 pc 2 Fang all divines and Veli Monster Helm all med, one divines one infused. Am pretty much the same rotation as everyone else as far as that hoes with an axe, dagger and bow. Right now on a dummy I can do 32K DPS or so TOPS (Maybe 33K on a great run) but I CANNOT go higher. Would this be ok for my CP and gear?

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    Oh, I just realised (can’t edit my post from above anymore) that you’ll run TFS+NMG in the same build, interesting. Is it better to go for the group play with nmg+sunderflame and tfs as well and not go Lover mundus? Is major slayer that low in uptime that it’s not worth playing with it? I suppose you want Shadow mundus.

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    Warfire said on July 15, 2017 :

    Oh, I just realised (can’t edit my post from above anymore) that you’ll run TFS+NMG in the same build, interesting. Is it better to go for the group play with nmg+sunderflame and tfs as well and not go Lover mundus? Is major slayer that low in uptime that it’s not worth playing with it? I suppose you want Shadow mundus.

    There are a few weaknesses to war mashine that are annoying and reduce the efficiency like hitting the tank or hitting people that already have the buff. I much rather go for a 5pc that offers constant damage increase for me and my comrades. And Nmg is one of the rare 5pc bonuses that stays active on bow bar. So I like the combination to get the penetration for me and my Stamboys while being able to utilize infused / precise weapons and the Shadow Mundus.

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    Azyle1 said on July 15, 2017 :

    I do have a quick question. I’ve taken a little break from playing( about 3 weeks). As I come back and continue to make my DPS better…

    How much DPS as a Khajiit Stamblade should I be doing roughly around CP 380? I have 5 pc hundings divines (all med one heavy). 5 pc 2 Fang all divines and Veli Monster Helm all med, one divines one infused. Am pretty much the same rotation as everyone else as far as that hoes with an axe, dagger and bow. Right now on a dummy I can do 32K DPS or so TOPS (Maybe 33K on a great run) but I CANNOT go higher. Would this be ok for my CP and gear?

    6 million dummy?

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    Azyle1 said on July 15, 2017 :

    I do have a quick question. I’ve taken a little break from playing( about 3 weeks). As I come back and continue to make my DPS better…

    How much DPS as a Khajiit Stamblade should I be doing roughly around CP 380? I have 5 pc hundings divines (all med one heavy). 5 pc 2 Fang all divines and Veli Monster Helm all med, one divines one infused. Am pretty much the same rotation as everyone else as far as that hoes with an axe, dagger and bow. Right now on a dummy I can do 32K DPS or so TOPS (Maybe 33K on a great run) but I CANNOT go higher. Would this be ok for my CP and gear?

    Used 380CP, tried once on a 6 Mio Dummy

    While my Gear is surely a bit better, I’d say you can go higher than 33k. It’s still ok to do 33k, just not the top of what is possible.

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    Jeckll said on July 16, 2017 :

    Azyle1 said on July 15, 2017 :

    I do have a quick question. I’ve taken a little break from playing( about 3 weeks). As I come back and continue to make my DPS better…

    How much DPS as a Khajiit Stamblade should I be doing roughly around CP 380? I have 5 pc hundings divines (all med one heavy). 5 pc 2 Fang all divines and Veli Monster Helm all med, one divines one infused. Am pretty much the same rotation as everyone else as far as that hoes with an axe, dagger and bow. Right now on a dummy I can do 32K DPS or so TOPS (Maybe 33K on a great run) but I CANNOT go higher. Would this be ok for my CP and gear?

    Used 380CP, tried once on a 6 Mio Dummy

    While my Gear is surely a bit better, I’d say you can go higher than 33k. It’s still ok to do 33k, just not the top of what is possible.

    Only a 3 million Dummy. Would 6 make a difference? I really need that VMA bow too. Also how would you recommend spending my CP points at 380? Maybe that’s an issue too.

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    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on July 16, 2017 :

    Used 380CP, tried once on a 6 Mio Dummy

    While my Gear is surely a bit better, I’d say you can go higher than 33k. It’s still ok to do 33k, just not the top of what is possible.

    Only a 3 million Dummy. Would 6 make a difference? I really need that VMA bow too. Also how would you recommend spending my CP points at 380? Maybe that’s an issue too.

    You will deal less damage on 6mio as there is pretty much no sustain issue when fighting only 3 Mio HP.

    Assuming about 73% Crit Chance and Sharp Weapons, I suggest trying 13 Master at Arms, 28 Thaumaturge, 28 Precise Strikes, 25 Piercing, 32 Mighty.

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    Jeckll said on July 16, 2017 :

    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Only a 3 million Dummy. Would 6 make a difference? I really need that VMA bow too. Also how would you recommend spending my CP points at 380? Maybe that’s an issue too.

    You will deal less damage on 6mio as there is pretty much no sustain issue when fighting only 3 Mio HP.

    Assuming about 73% Crit Chance and Sharp Weapons, I suggest trying 13 Master at Arms, 28 Thaumaturge, 28 Precise Strikes, 25 Piercing, 32 Mighty.

    Thanks. I’ll test that out. Any other tips?

    my rotation is usually

    LA, Trap, La, volley, la,caltrops, la, poison injection switch to melee… la, rending, la, bow proc, la, surprise, la, surprise and then back to bow and repeat, refreshing blade cloak and grim assassin as needed. Also after this first time through I usually having attack on the DW bar unless Incap has been used. Which is the only ulti I use

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    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on July 16, 2017 :

    You will deal less damage on 6mio as there is pretty much no sustain issue when fighting only 3 Mio HP.

    Assuming about 73% Crit Chance and Sharp Weapons, I suggest trying 13 Master at Arms, 28 Thaumaturge, 28 Precise Strikes, 25 Piercing, 32 Mighty.

    Thanks. I’ll test that out. Any other tips?

    my rotation is usually

    LA, Trap, La, volley, la,caltrops, la, poison injection switch to melee… la, rending, la, bow proc, la, surprise, la, surprise and then back to bow and repeat, refreshing blade cloak and grim assassin as needed. Also after this first time through I usually having attack on the DW bar unless Incap has been used. Which is the only ulti I use

    Just tried the new CP you suggested. Similar results. DPS still sitting around 31-32K. I don’t get it. I WANT to do more, but am beating my head against the wall. I also am on Xbox if that makes any difference at all. I’ll keep trying I guess. Must be a lot of bad players on consoles because a lot of people with better gear and higher CP can’t seem to do above 28K… so the mediocrity of console players is big man.

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    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Azyle1 said on July 16, 2017 :

    Thanks. I’ll test that out. Any other tips?

    my rotation is usually

    LA, Trap, La, volley, la,caltrops, la, poison injection switch to melee… la, rending, la, bow proc, la, surprise, la, surprise and then back to bow and repeat, refreshing blade cloak and grim assassin as needed. Also after this first time through I usually having attack on the DW bar unless Incap has been used. Which is the only ulti I use

    Just tried the new CP you suggested. Similar results. DPS still sitting around 31-32K. I don’t get it. I WANT to do more, but am beating my head against the wall. I also am on Xbox if that makes any difference at all. I’ll keep trying I guess. Must be a lot of bad players on consoles because a lot of people with better gear and higher CP can’t seem to do above 28K… so the mediocrity of console players is big man.

    Let me fix that for you, honestly most players on all platforms have very low dps.  I would benchmark the average at 18k dps and lower.  Secondly you are comparing yourself to some of the greatest stamblade players there are, Jeckll is basically a legend, as is IzakiBrothers.  If you manage to get as high dps as they do you will be in the top 0.01% of all players.  32k is beyond respectable dps, especially in Morrowind where the average players dps went down not up. Don’t worry about it anymore until you get a vma bow, that will be a significant dps increase.

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    I do have have a crazy proposal, i’ve been toying with the idea of purposely re enchanting a set of vma weapons.  Thinking maybe a vma infused axe and dagger or perhaps a precise set.  Then slotting a berserker and poison enchant and runnning either agility or VO could be an interesting option.  I may be the only one crazy enough to try this.  I need an infused axe to try it though, only have extra nirnhoned ones right now.  I’m hoping it will outperform Hundings.

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    Hey Jeckll!

    Im using 5xnmg 5xVO 2Velidreth and i got a possibility to swap nmg with twin fanged.The problem is one of my twin fanged daggers is precise not sharpened so i wonder if i should swap nmg or its not worth it untill i get 2nd tfs dagger in sharpened?also running 0 cp in piercing(49 mighty 43 precise 30 thaumaturge 7 master-at-arms 380 cp)yet should i consider getting em in order to swap?

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