Stamina Nightblade PvE DPS For Homestead

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    Okay so just from looking at my previous parses, Anti-Cav is always doing less DPS. And its basically due to the fact that I was only “eating” 1 tick at most. Whereas now, I’m losing 1-2 sec on it as I’m refreshing it every 15-16 sec (otherwise the barswaps really get crazy). So I’ll be re-morphing back to Razor.

    Now for the complex rotation I’ve actually found a very very nice compromise. 2 skills on the bow bar > swap > 3 skills or 2 skills + HA on DW bar. Works wonderfully, more or less easy rotation, max uptime on Hawk Eye and much less reliant on perfect weaving because you do 2 skills on the bow bar so 2 chances to “refresh” Hawk Eye.

    By the way, the HP with just Bi-stat food and 7 medium was actually just fine for me in vHOF, all the way to the 4th boss, which is where we were stuck for quite a while, but even there there aren’t really many one-shot mechanics, its all just DoTs and AoEs soit was fine for me… So that leads me to think that Dubious Camoran Throne + 5/1/1 + 10 points into health = everything is good. But I’d prefer to drop the drink anyway and i think it should be possible.

    I tried working with Camoran Throne… by the time you swap AP, enchants, or whatever else to get health up to par, you hit like a wet noodle (it was early on in testing, but the difference was ~ 27k v 32k). It was slightly better with Orzaga’s Hot Pockets – but in either case, the limited stam pool became an issue while battling sustain (even without considering the damage loss).

    Depending on the LA buff, it might be worth revisiting, though.

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    Okay so the changes to Grim Focus are awesome. I’m able to do 2 Bow Procs for every 1 cast, 3 would be the maximum, but I don’t really see how its possible, but I’m trying to come up with a rotation focused around it. Basically, the Bow proc deals 3-4k DPS now, up from 1.5-2.5k that it was doing before. I’m averaging 40.5k DPS on all my tests now, both with the drink and with the food.

    With the Camoran Throne its possible to sustain without any heavy attacks at all. With the food I only needed 4 Heavy Attacks during the whole Target Skeleton fight. So @Jeckll if you don’t mind testing food + VO and seeing if Heavy Attacks are needed at all, it would be great!

     

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    So @Jeckll if you don’t mind testing food + VO and seeing if Heavy Attacks are needed at all, it would be great!

    Yeah I will try and give some feedback here

     

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    yeah, lol. first try already 40k.

    Couldnt sustain without heavy attacks, did 6 in total.

    Will try one more but it already seems like a nice dps boost.

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    wizzo45 said on May 15, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    Okay so just from looking at my previous parses, Anti-Cav is always doing less DPS. And its basically due to the fact that I was only “eating” 1 tick at most. Whereas now, I’m losing 1-2 sec on it as I’m refreshing it every 15-16 sec (otherwise the barswaps really get crazy). So I’ll be re-morphing back to Razor.

    Now for the complex rotation I’ve actually found a very very nice compromise. 2 skills on the bow bar > swap > 3 skills or 2 skills + HA on DW bar. Works wonderfully, more or less easy rotation, max uptime on Hawk Eye and much less reliant on perfect weaving because you do 2 skills on the bow bar so 2 chances to “refresh” Hawk Eye.

    By the way, the HP with just Bi-stat food and 7 medium was actually just fine for me in vHOF, all the way to the 4th boss, which is where we were stuck for quite a while, but even there there aren’t really many one-shot mechanics, its all just DoTs and AoEs soit was fine for me… So that leads me to think that Dubious Camoran Throne + 5/1/1 + 10 points into health = everything is good. But I’d prefer to drop the drink anyway and i think it should be possible.

    I tried working with Camoran Throne… by the time you swap AP, enchants, or whatever else to get health up to par, you hitlike a wet noodle (it was early on in testing, but the difference was ~ 27k v 32k). It was slightly better with Orzaga’s Hot Pockets – but in either case, the limited stam pool became an issue while battling sustain (even without considering the damage loss).

    Depending on the LA buff, it might be worth revisiting, though.

    Hmm I haven’t been getting as much of a difference between the two as you have… When using the Camoran Throne, I had 1 Health Enchant and 5/1/1, when using food I had 7 medium and full stamina enchants. The health was literally the same: 16.9k. Which is totally fine because Deadly Cloak gives extra 5% mitigation now so its actually possible to go with only 17k health.

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    ^ That was with food (4 Heavy Attacks in total)

    Stamina Nightblade ESO Morrowind PTS 40.5k DPS

    ^ That was with drink (0 Heavy Attacks in total)

    So only 1k difference really, and I haven’t really tested too much yet, so I think both are basically equal in the end. Food is obviously better, but the drink does offer you a surplus of recovery. But with the 8% cost reduction from VO, I think that the drink is useless.

    I’ve also been playing around with races and frankly… Redguard is more needed than ever. Sure the resource return you get is **** **** **** but its still the difference between being able to sustain without heavy attacks and having to do heavy attacks. As a Khajiit you’re definitely going to get the better damage (only in a trial) and pretty much the same sustain, but in solo play, Redguard’s sustain and raw damage win out.

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    wizzo45 said on May 15, 2017 :

    I tried working with Camoran Throne… by the time you swap AP, enchants, or whatever else to get health up to par, you hitlike a wet noodle (it was early on in testing, but the difference was ~ 27k v 32k). It was slightly better with Orzaga’s Hot Pockets – but in either case, the limited stam pool became an issue while battling sustain (even without considering the damage loss).

    Depending on the LA buff, it might be worth revisiting, though.

    Hmm I haven’t been getting asmuch of a difference between the two as you have… When using the Camoran Throne, I had 1 Health Enchant and 5/1/1, when using food I had 7 medium and full stamina enchants. The health was literally the same: 16.9k. Which is totally fine because Deadly Cloak gives extra 5% mitigation now so its actually possible to go with only 17k health.

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    ^ That was with food (4 Heavy Attacks in total)

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    ^ That was with drink (0 Heavy Attacks in total)

    So only 1k difference really, and I haven’t really tested too much yet, so I think both are basically equal in the end. Food is obviously better, but the drink does offer you a surplus of recovery. But withthe 8% cost reduction from VO, I think that the drink is useless.

    I’ve also been playing around with races and frankly… Redguard is more needed than ever. Sure the resource return you get is **** **** **** but its still the difference between being able to sustain without heavy attacks and having to do heavy attacks. As a Khajiit you’re definitely going to get the better damage (only in a trial) and pretty much the same sustain, but in solo play, Redguard’s sustain and raw damage win out.

    You are likely right here. When I get back on, I’ll play around – my testing was pretty early, so it was mostly hack and slash while I was gasping for stam, which may account for as much of the difference as anything.

    Unfortunately I’m a Bosmer (first character, didn’t know any better), and the regen isn’t bad at all. Basically heavy weave a Surprise Attack every rotation, and good to go (in War Machine/TFS). But doing the math, Redguard is still way better. Despite my attachment, I’m really considering the race change this patch…

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    I crafted a set of hunding’s to compare better with your results. I didnt have time to test the infused mainhand but I have a parse of 5x TFS 5x Hunding 2 Kra’gh with 2 Sharpened weapons.

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    For whatever reason my Combat Metrics is telling me I only have Major Fracture up 25-50% of the time when I’m sure I’m using Surprise Attack every rotation. Anyone know why this might be happening?

    Also, I personally don’t see how it’s possible to sustain with only four heavy attacks with normal food, unless the difference between Redguard and Imperial are so far apart that race means the difference between sustaining and not sustaining.

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    Soulflame said on May 15, 2017 :

    For whatever reason my Combat Metrics is telling me I only have Major Fracture up 25-50% of the time when I’m sure I’m using Surprise Attack every rotation. Anyone know why this might be happening?

    Also, I personally don’t see how it’s possible to sustain with only four heavy attacks with normal food, unless the difference between Redguard and Imperial are so far apart that race means the difference between sustaining and not sustaining.

    Had this once as well. Might be a bug or something. But in general, I dont have 100% uptime as well. around 70% was my average in the tests i did today.
    I also do more than 4 Heavy Attacks, usually once per DW rota but I dont think its a big DPS lost to be honest as DW Heavy Attacks are pretty fast and you can weave them very well with the DW skills as well as SA. I tried to incorporate then in situations where my buffs are running if possible.

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    Jeckll said on May 15, 2017 :

    Soulflame said on May 15, 2017 :

    For whatever reason my Combat Metrics is telling me I only have Major Fracture up 25-50% of the time when I’m sure I’m using Surprise Attack every rotation. Anyone know why this might be happening?

    Also, I personally don’t see how it’s possible to sustain with only four heavy attacks with normal food, unless the difference between Redguard and Imperial are so far apart that race means the difference between sustaining and not sustaining.

    Had this once as well. Might be a bug or something. But in general, I dont have 100% uptime as well. around 70% was my average in the tests i did today.
    I also do more than 4 Heavy Attacks, usually once per DW rota but I dont think its a big DPS lost to be honest as DW Heavy Attacks are pretty fast and you can weave them very well with the DW skills as well as SA. I tried to incorporate then in situations where my buffs are running if possible.

    Okay, that makes me feel better :) Still getting only 32k with 5x War Machine, 5x Twice-Fanged Serpent, and 2x Krag’h though, which is rather concerning. Might partially be due to my unfamiliarity with the rotation and the lack of my usual addon settings, but… It’s at least a 5k DPS loss. Might just have to wait for Live to troubleshoot, though I’m not missing any passives or Mundus stones.

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    Jeckll said on May 15, 2017 :

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    I crafted a set of hunding’s to compare better with your results. I didnt have time to test the infused mainhand but I have a parse of 5x TFS 5x Hunding 2 Kra’gh with 2 Sharpened weapons.

    Hmm last time I checked the official forums Gilliam was telling me stamblades were dead. I laughed back then and now I’m laughing even more! Great parse there!

    Sooo did you check out the sustain with VO? :D

     

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    Jeckll said on May 15, 2017 :

    Soulflame said on May 15, 2017 :

    For whatever reason my Combat Metrics is telling me I only have Major Fracture up 25-50% of the time when I’m sure I’m using Surprise Attack every rotation. Anyone know why this might be happening?

    Also, I personally don’t see how it’s possible to sustain with only four heavy attacks with normal food, unless the difference between Redguard and Imperial are so far apart that race means the difference between sustaining and not sustaining.

    Had this once as well. Might be a bug or something. But in general, I dont have 100% uptime as well. around 70% was my average in the tests i did today.
    I also do more than 4 Heavy Attacks, usually once per DW rota but I dont think its a big DPS lost to be honest as DW Heavy Attacks are pretty fast and you can weave them very well with the DW skills as well as SA. I tried to incorporate then in situations where my buffs are running if possible.

    Well if you look at it, you only have 6 or 7 rotations on a 3mil skeleton, so 1 HA per rotation is 6 or 7. Considering in the execute phase you probably didn’t bother with a HA, that’s how you get 4 :D

    Same here, my Major Fracture uptime is only 70% ish. My guess is that we don’t do SA in the execute so, that’s probably where the uptime goes down. But it may very well just be a bug because I tend to watch out on the Fracture on Srendarr.

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    Sooo did you check out the sustain with VO?

    Still have to HA, just less than with Hunding’s. As VO in general is about as strong as Hunding’s + the Cost Reduction, I’d take VO if I need to choose. If the Infused stuff is going to give me a better result in the end, I will have to double check as I dont have a VO Axe in Infused.

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    Jeckll said on May 16, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 15, 2017 :

    Sooo did you check out the sustain with VO?

    Still have to HA, just less than with Hunding’s. As VO in general is about as strong as Hunding’s + the Cost Reduction, I’d take VO if I need to choose. If the Infused stuff is going to give me a better result in the end, I will have to double check as I dont have a VO Axe in Infused.

    Yeah for sure, VO is definitely the superior choice to Hunding’s. Its just that templates really suck and don’t have half of the interesting gear that people might need for testing. So in the end, Hunding’s is roughly the same damage wise as VO like you said, but obviously in raids, its no match, VO wins out.

    So I decided to try out Deadly Cloak and double sharpened and got a pretty similar result to yours, 300 DPS behind. I can’t bring myself to use Rend. I feel that even if there’s a damage increase, its marginal and Incap helps so much with sustain as well as scaling better with the damage you do. I mean I did only 3 Heavy Attacks in this parse and with VO, I doubt I’d need them at all… And I only did 3 Incaps and 6 Assassin’s Scourge, I think that with a little fine tuning to the rotation (and ping…) it will be possible to have more of both. And both of those things not only hit like trucks, but also they are free of cost, which just improves sustain dramatically. Just my opinoin :D

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    @Jeckll I think you should really try infused, I’m getting consistently more DPS with it, and you could probably get well over 44k with it :D

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 17, 2017 :

    @Jeckll I think you should really try infused

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    Yeah I will surely do as soon as I have time. Today, it will not be possible as we’re training vHoF. But I will do before Morrowind goes live.
    Atm im doing a large scale testing for CP distribution and I will need some extra time to get the perfect distribution. The new Jump Points in every CP star are really a pile of bullshit sadly and I need to test a lot.

     

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    Jeckll said on May 17, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 17, 2017 :

    @Jeckll I think you should really try infused

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    Yeah I will surely do as soon as I have time. Today, it will not be possible as we’re training vHoF. But I will do before Morrowind goes live.
    Atm im doing a large scale testing for CP distribution and I will need some extra time to get the perfect distribution. The new Jump Points in every CP star are really a pile of bullshit sadly and I need to test a lot.

    Hmm… I just did a non-CP parse, and did used Asayre’s calc for my distribution and then just adjusted to the jump points… Seems to be working alright ^^ Then again, I don’t have too much of an idea of what to when it comes to testing CP distributions.

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 17, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on May 17, 2017 :

    Yeah I will surely do as soon as I have time. Today, it will not be possible as we’re training vHoF. But I will do before Morrowind goes live.
    Atm im doing a large scale testing for CP distribution and I will need some extra time to get the perfect distribution. The new Jump Points in every CP star are really a pile of bullshit sadly and I need to test a lot.

    Hmm… I just did a non-CP parse, and did used Asayre’s calc for my distribution and then just adjusted to the jump points… Seems to be working alright ^^ Then again, I don’t have too much of an idea of what to when it comes to testing CP distributions.

    Tried infused yesterday and if kind of resulted in the same, with my top parses being slightly behind my Sharpened Setup.
    Couldnt break the 44k but I already see how to get there, maybe i have another hour this evening.

    My issue wie Infused is that I allocated many points in Piercing to “compensate” so I get full pen on the DW bar. But as im on the bow bar quite a lot, I have too much Pen there, effectively wasting CP there. Could try a Precise Bow, but then its still not the same on both bars.

    I got about 800-1k extra DPS from Poison Glyphe and 10-15% higher uptime for Berserker – which is nice. Endless Hail was kind of equal, about 300 DPS higher with Infused.

    The biggest issue is that the fight is so short atm, that’s why Rend doesnt perform as well as it could be. I apply the 2nd Rend at about 35-40% Boss HP which means I dont get enough ulti for a Incap in execute and I waste some ticks of Rend above 25%. Now usually, I would wait a bit before using Rend but the rotation doesnt allow it as im on the bow bar then preparing the dots for execute and if I use the ulti afterwards, target will die before rend runs out.

    This is obviously a issue with the dummy specifically. Vs 6mio dummy, it wouldnt be a problem. Nevertheless, I understand why using Incap as primary Ulti does allow you to get very good parses vs the dummy. I tryed it a few times as well yesterday and got compareable parses while using incap on the bow bar. Didnt have time left to swap to offbar and I would have to alter my CP allocation due to not using Rend.

    In the end, I think 44k is beatable without Minor Slayer, but in general, I get 42-43k parses most of the time atm.

    I suppose you use Incap on main bar?

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    do u use infuse on axe and sharp on dagger? and which weapon goes in main hand and which as the poison glyph and which has the weapon damage glyph?

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    Jeckll said on May 17, 2017 :

    IzakiBrotherSs said on May 17, 2017 :

    Hmm… I just did a non-CP parse, and did used Asayre’s calc for my distribution and then just adjusted to the jump points… Seems to be working alright ^^ Then again, I don’t have too much of an idea of what to when it comes to testing CP distributions.

    Tried infused yesterday and if kind of resulted in the same, with my top parses being slightly behind my Sharpened Setup.
    Couldnt break the 44k but I already see how to get there, maybe i have another hour this evening.

    My issue wie Infused is that I allocated many points in Piercing to “compensate” so I get full pen on the DW bar. But as im on the bow bar quite a lot, I have too much Pen there, effectively wasting CP there. Could try a Precise Bow, but then its still not the same on both bars.

    I got about 800-1k extra DPS from Poison Glyphe and 10-15% higher uptime for Berserker – which is nice. Endless Hail was kind of equal, about 300 DPS higher with Infused.

    The biggest issue is that the fight is so short atm, that’s why Rend doesnt perform as well as it could be. I apply the 2nd Rend at about 35-40% Boss HP which means I dont get enough ulti for a Incap in execute and I waste some ticks of Rend above 25%. Now usually, I would wait a bit before using Rend but the rotation doesnt allow it as im on the bow bar then preparing the dots for execute and if I use the ulti afterwards, target will die before rend runs out.

    This is obviously a issue with the dummy specifically. Vs 6mio dummy, it wouldnt be a problem. Nevertheless, I understand why using Incap as primary Ulti does allow you to get very good parses vs the dummy. I tryed it a few times as well yesterday and got compareable parses while using incap on the bow bar. Didnt have time left to swap to offbar and I would have to alter my CP allocation due to not using Rend.

    In the end, I think 44k is beatable without Minor Slayer, but in general, I get 42-43k parses most of the time atm.

    I suppose you use Incap on main bar?

    Atm I’m using Incap on Bow bar and Flawless DB on front bar. I’m not exactly liking that setup however, due to the fact that sometimes I only have about 4 seconds on the front bar.

    About the penetration, I personally just compensate for Sharp on front bar. I put 31 points. I guess I’m at penetration “cap” on the bow bar and a little under pen “cap” on DW bar. No big deal, I mean the DPS potential is there without even having full penetration.

    The main reason I dislike Rend is that I have to give up 8% weapon damage for it. And Ballista does more damage in ST and Shooting Star does more damage in AoE and Incap helps the most with sustain. So basically for me it doesn’t have enough benefits for me to use it, the only benefit is healing I guess. So I haven’t tried Incap in a raid other than vHoF, but what is good about that ultimate is that basically, its always up. So for the burst phases on certain bosses, before they become immune or something, its just so great to be able to ult twice. Will have to try it against Rakkhat HM I guess :D

    I’ve been finding the fight too short too, will have to start doing some serious tests on the 6mil dummy, but first thing is first: gotta break 44k :D I really have to learn how to play with a mouse though, because I can just feel the controller holding me back…

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