[PvE] Magicka NB by @IWM [Updated for Morrowind][2.0]

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    Mashinate

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     Introduction

    Hello, and welcome to my nightblade guide! First and foremost, I’d like to say a little bit of who I am, to give you a little bit of insight into my knowledge about this game. I’ve been raiding with Hodor for around two years now, and I’ve been playing nightblade for the most part, but also quite a fair bit of dragonknight, and sorcerer. I’ve gotten some parses on certain bosses that I’ve felt very good about, and feel the builds that I produce have alot of potential in them, which I again think reflects on the leaderboards. For the past six months or so, I’ve completely left nightblade, but I’ve picked it up as of this patch with the recent changes I’ll be talking about later in the build. Keep in what is written in this build is still subject to change, and my tests are not finalized. Without further adue, lets just jump into the build!

    Core

     

    So, this is our bread and butter! Lets start from the top, which alot of people will ask, why not use Llambris combined with lightning clench? Simply put, it’s not more DPS. Valkyn Skoria and Grothdarr will provide much better results in terms of damage. The choise between Skoria and Grothdarr is something I need to test further, but as of now I’d highly suggest to have them both and switching dependant if the boss fight allows you to stay in melee range, or if you need to stay ranged. If you’re lazy, just stick with Skoria.

    Onto our mainset, scathing mage! Alot of nightblades love this set, simply because it procs of Twisting Path’s DoT effect, allowing you to get an extremely high uptime thus giving you a high ammount of spell damage, and spell crit. Optional sets here could be Twice Born Star and using the thief and the shadow, which will give you a little bit less DPS, but still something that you can compete with. Julianos is also an alternative.

    For the jewelry and our mainhand, we want to use the same set so we can benefit of four set bonuses, minmaxing our stats as best as we can. In my case, im running Infallible Aether, but Moondancer will provide the same results if not better. Sharpened is a MUST. On our offhand, we will be using a maelstrom staff, im still testing abit with lightning or inferno, but as of right now I prefer lightning. Both works, but having a lightning staff on trashpacks is essential.

    These are the stats you can expect with using the sets that I am using, completely unbuffed. Nothing too fancy, just the usual.

    Mundus Stone

    The Thief
    We will be using the thief for extra spellcrit in this build, having more crit with a high aggressive warhorn uptime, and crit modifiers such as trap beast, is gonna help us out alot.

    Skills


    Lets talk about the skills abit, there’s alot of potential changes come here, so stay updated. Our mainbar is what we can call our buffbar, we’ll be having merciless resolve alongside with siphoning attacks, and our shield which can be swapped out with the likes of trap beast or destructive clench if you’d like that. The spammable is something im still testing, but as of now I’ll be using swallow soul as it’s way cheaper. We will NOT be using soul assault as our ultimate, but we will be using elemental rage instead to benefit from ancient knowledge.

    On our second bar, it’s gonna be our AoE, execute and DoT bar. I really like having these skills on the same bar, as it gives us alot of advantages such as a clean rotation (Path 11s, Blockade 8s, Cripple 8s) it allows us to not swap bars whatsoever when we’re executing and AoE’ing, making this build very clean and simple to play.

    Champion Points

    Thanks to @Magna-G and @xBlackroxe for the help here, this spread was mainly put together by @xBlackroxe.

    Use this spread if your group has more than two blockade of storms

    The Apprentice

    – 40 Elfborn

    – 43 Elemental Expert

    – 8 Spell Erosion

    The Atronach

    – 44 Master-at-Arms

    The Ritual

    – 75 Thaumaturge

    I’ll only be covering the blue champion points here, as I change my red and green ones up all the time dependant on the trial I go to. Nothing too spectacular here, I’ll be updating the explanation abit further in the future though.

    Use this spread if your group has less than two blockade of storms, or alot of heavy attack builds

    The Apprentice

    – 56 Elemental Expert

    – 51 Elfborn

    – 12 Spell Erosion

    The Atronach

    – 62 Master-at-Arms

    – 13 Staff Expert

    The Ritual

    – 16 Thaumaturge

     

     

    Races

    – Dunmer and Highelf are both viable options, and honestly I don’t see alot of difference between them. Play whatever you want :P.

    Parses

     

    More to be added.

    Final Words

    I’d like to give a big thank you to the entire Hodor, especially the members of the hodor core group. I’d like to give my love, @Hjelmi a big kiss too for keeping me alive during all of this, I don’t know how you manage it. Also, big thanks to @Selawa for helping me brainstorm, @Magna-Ge for helping me out with champion points and @Blackroxee for betraying nightblades and going to the sorcerer side. For those of you that don’t see your names here, you know who you are, and I highly appreciate it. Now, go out there and make Nightblades considered a strong DPS class, and remember as always, FULLFIST!

    – @IWM

    • This topic was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of Mashinate Mashinate.

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    xBlackroxe

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    Hi,

    awesome guide! :)

    Im running basically the same bars. Just dont have Proxy yet. :'(
    The only thing I have different is I use Entropy on Main Bar and shift Path to Off because i cant afford to run 100% time on pots.

    At the moment i´m about 190 CP. I guess first 30 in the Apprentice for the spell crit and then max Thaum would be the best decision?
    Why do you go so much into block expertise?

    Also whats your take on concealed? Is there any reason to weave this over funnel?

    Is there a particular reason to go Sword/Dagger on AoE Bar? I thought the crit from dagger only appeared on weapon dmg.

    regards :)

    Chars: -Blackroxe (Dunmer Sorcerer)

    Scores (One Tamriel): vDSA 47.683, vMOL 163.308, vSO 171.353, vHRC 154.149

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    xBlackroxe

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    Also @Asayre did the maths on when to use Thief, Shadow or Apprentice in his article.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/#post-619261

    Chars: -Blackroxe (Dunmer Sorcerer)

    Scores (One Tamriel): vDSA 47.683, vMOL 163.308, vSO 171.353, vHRC 154.149

    Guild: HODOR

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    Mashinate

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    Hodor

    xBlackroxe said on September 8, 2015 :

    Also @Asayre did the maths on when to use Thief, Shadow or Apprentice in his article.

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/#post-619261

    Good calculations, skimmed over them but he hasn’t taken Scathing Mage into account, which makes those calculations invalid for the optimal build, but valid for the current setup im using. Thanks!

    xBlackroxe said on September 8, 2015 :

    Hi,

    awesome guide!

    Im running basically the same bars. Just dont have Proxy yet. :'(
    The only thing I have different is I use Entropy on Main Bar and shift Path to Off because i cant afford to run 100% time on pots.

    At the moment i´m about 190 CP. I guess first 30 in the Apprentice for the spell crit and then max Thaum would be the best decision?
    Why do you go so much into block expertise?

    Also whats your take on concealed?Is there any reason to weave this over funnel?

    Is there a particular reason to go Sword/Dagger on AoE Bar? I thought the crit from dagger only appeared on weapon dmg.

    regards

    Thanks for the kind words. Reason I do not run entropy, is simply because it’s a DPS loss. Having to only hit Q, to get major sorcery is way more benefitial for your DPS than having to switch bars and applying a useless dot is.

    30 into apprentice for precision, correct. I go so many points into block expert because I simply can. Block expertise helps me alot when dealing with heavy trashpacks for example in imperial prison, and allows me to sustain my stamina aswell fairly well.

    To be completely honest, I’ve never tested concealed.

    The crit from dagger works with spell critical too. The difference between sword and dagger is minimal, which is why I choose a combination of the two.

     

     

    • This reply was modified 2 years ago by Profile photo of Mashinate Mashinate.

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    Bison

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    Hows this working in pvp for you? Bad i hope, i was fed up getting bombed by you in 1.6 :)

    Moved my own nb over to the dark (magicka) side now as i wasnt enjoying stamina build too much in new patch so ill be keeping an eye on your thread, keep up the good work!

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    Bison said on September 8, 2015 :

    Hows this working in pvp for you? Bad i hope, i was fed up getting bombed by you in 1.6

    Moved my own nb over to the dark (magicka) side now as i wasnt enjoying stamina build too much in new patch so ill be keeping an eye on your thread, keep up the good work!

    Bombing is gone with the battle spirit changes, so no worries ^^. I need more gear to do full tests still for PvP, but I have some ideas of what I’d like to run. Thanks though!

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    Mashinate said on September 8, 2015 :

    Thanks for the kind words. Reason I do not run entropy, is simply because it’s a DPS loss. Having to only hit Q, to get major sorcery is way more benefitial for your DPS than having to switch bars and applying a useless dot is.

    30 into apprentice for precision, correct. I go so many points into block expert because I simply can. Block expertise helps me alot when dealing with heavy trashpacks for example in imperial prison, and allows me to sustain my stamina aswell fairly well.

    To be completely honest, I’ve never tested concealed.

    The crit from dagger works with spell critical too. The difference between sword and dagger is minimal, which is why I choose a combination of the two.

    Yeah i know its a DPS Loss just can´t afford to have pots all the time :)

    Okay good to know it works with daggers too. Will try that when i got the mats for it.

     

    Chars: -Blackroxe (Dunmer Sorcerer)

    Scores (One Tamriel): vDSA 47.683, vMOL 163.308, vSO 171.353, vHRC 154.149

    Guild: HODOR

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    On my Mag NB DD I prefer to use the Dawnbreaker of Smiting for a lot of the new content. Since we are specced heavily into Thaum we receive a huge bonus, and the Skill is great anyway. Also, the cost is really low, and you cover more ground with it – while applying a DoT that is not ground based but moves with your enemy/-ies. All this for 100 Ulti points… meaning we can use it very, very, very often.

    By the way, did you ever think about implementing the Trap Beast Skill? +12% Crit Damage sounds pretty neat for your build, and since Shades do not proc Nerien’eth and Prox Det is an AoE (still nice though), you might exchange your first AoE bar skill for it. Could work wonders in the execute phase.

    I also strongly support the use of Concealed Weapon in the cases that one can safely melee a solo target. Is much more heavy on Magicka though, so the Healer should be providing Siphon Spirit, else we can run out of Magicka.

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    Mashinate

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    Aldric said on September 8, 2015 :

    On my Mag NB DD I prefer to use the Dawnbreaker of Smiting for a lot of the new content. Since we are specced heavily into Thaum we receive a huge bonus, and the Skill is great anyway. Also, the cost is really low, and you cover more ground with it – while applying a DoT that is not ground based but moves with your enemy/-ies. All this for 100 Ulti points… meaning we can use it very, very, very often.

    By the way, did you ever think about implementing the Trap Beast Skill? +12% Crit Damage sounds pretty neat for your build, and since Shades do not proc Nerien’eth and Prox Det is an AoE (still nice though), you might exchange your first AoE bar skill for it. Could work wonders in the execute phase.

    I also strongly support the use of Concealed Weapon in the cases that one can safely melee a solo target. Is much more heavy on Magicka though, so the Healer should be providing Siphon Spirit, else we can run out of Magicka.

    Shades does proc nerien’eth. I will test out trap beast, thanks for the idea. I never tested concealed, but I will test it tommorow.

     

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    ShaderShibes

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    Thanks for this, really appreciated.  I’m only a couple of pieces away from this, so will buy tomorrow and test it out :)

     

    One thing, in your ideal set up, your off-hand Torugs staff, saying that you wont be getting a set buff from it, did you test with a precise masters inferno staff?  If not, do you think it would be worth it?

    Cheers.

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    Thanks for the guide, very useful.

    Do you have any screenshots of single target damage? Keen to see how damage is split across the various abilities.

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    ShaderShibes said on September 8, 2015 :

    One thing, in your ideal set up, your off-hand Torugs staff, saying that you wont be getting a set buff from it,did you test with a precise masters inferno staff? If not, do you think it would be worth it?

    Cheers.

    I´m obviously not @Mashinate and could be totally mistaken here. But the problem with the Master Inferno Staff is that it doesn´t scale to v16 and you don´t get it in nirhoned.

    So i think that the staff being v16 and nirnhoned is a greater benefit  then using the Master Staff.

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    Scores (One Tamriel): vDSA 47.683, vMOL 163.308, vSO 171.353, vHRC 154.149

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    Orody

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    Hey, glade to see you posting another build here :)

    What about using precise on weapon if nirn isnt avaible? Or sharpen is still better? I ask because stacking crit seems to be more worthwhile now. Especially with scathing mage and thief/shadow mundus.

     

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    ShaderShibes said on September 8, 2015 :

    Thanks for this, really appreciated. I’m only a couple of pieces away from this, so will buy tomorrow and test it out

    One thing, in your ideal set up, your off-hand Torugs staff, saying that you wont be getting a set buff from it,did you test with a precise masters inferno staff? If not, do you think it would be worth it?

    Cheers.

    You’re welcome. Im using it for the poison glyph, and for the nirn trait. If you can get a sharpened master inferno staff in v16, then you should try that out.

    Altyrann said on September 9, 2015 :

    Thanks for the guide, very useful.

    Do you have any screenshots of single target damage? Keen to see how damage is split across the various abilities.

    I don’t for the moment being. Hodor will start to raid within the next couple of weeks, so you can expect some good numbers then.

    xBlackroxe said on September 9, 2015 :

    ShaderShibes said on September 8, 2015 :

    One thing, in your ideal set up, your off-hand Torugs staff, saying that you wont be getting a set buff from it,did you test with a precise masters inferno staff? If not, do you think it would be worth it?

    Cheers.

    I´m obviously not @Mashinate and could be totally mistaken here. But the problem with the Master Inferno Staff is that it doesn´t scale to v16 and you don´t get it in nirhoned.

    So i think that the staff being v16 and nirnhoned is a greater benefit then using the Master Staff.

    Correct.

    Orody said on September 9, 2015 :

    Hey, glade to see you posting another build here

    What about using precise on weapon if nirn isnt avaible? Or sharpen is still better? I ask because stacking crit seems to be more worthwhile now. Especially with scathing mage and thief/shadow mundus.

    Thanks for the warm words ^^. They both serve their uses, with the new updates to spell resistance on mobs though, I’d highly recommend to roll Sharpened. I was playing with the thought to use precise aswell with scathing mage, but you need every little drop of spell penetration you can get atm.

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    Great, I shall look forward to seeing how you guys do with new builds and gear.

    In case you have an initial idea from play so far, roughly what difference does it make going from light to medium weaving, and what sort of % of the total do medium attacks make up?

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    Hi, and thanks for sharing yet another wonderfull guide! Iam so jealous of your stats, cant seem to get anywhere near your amount of spellpower and magica. Can you define unbuffed? ( no food, skills, what do you meen) it would help alot if you could include your active effects in the screenshot. Tanks again, love reading your stuff :)

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    Altyrann said on September 9, 2015 :

    Great, I shall look forward to seeing how you guys do with new builds and gear.

    In case you have an initial idea from play so far, roughly what difference does it make going from light to medium weaving, and what sort of % of the total do medium attacks make up?

    Roughly 2-3k DPS increase from medium weaving.

    Akono said on September 9, 2015 :

    Hi, and thanks for sharing yet another wonderfull guide! Iam so jealous of your stats, cant seem to get anywhere near your amount of spellpower and magica. Can you define unbuffed? ( no food, skills, what do you meen) it would help alot if you could include your active effects in the screenshot. Tanks again, love reading your stuff

    Thanks ^^. Unbuffed is no other buffs than foodbuff. These are raw stats pretty much. And you’re welcome ^^.

    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    Mashinate said on September 9, 2015 :

    Orody said on September 9, 2015 :

    Hey, glade to see you posting another build here

    What about using precise on weapon if nirn isnt avaible? Or sharpen is still better? I ask because stacking crit seems to be more worthwhile now. Especially with scathing mage and thief/shadow mundus.

    Thanks for the warm words ^^. They both serve their uses, with the new updates to spell resistance on mobs though, I’d highly recommend to roll Sharpened. I was playing with the thought to use precise aswell with scathing mage, but you need every little drop of spell penetration you can get atm.

    You’re welcome, i was waiting for a magicka NB post since the update. Ok for the staff, i’m currently running precise to get a “decent” crit rate (only have 40% so far…) but i lack some good stuff yet.

    Regarding the stuff, i have planed to go for 5 Scathing, 2(3) Torug, 1 Molag Kena and 3 Willpower (if one day i can have all of that). As i never played with the nerien’eth set, i though that a flat bonus to SP will be better than relying on a proc to deal damage. Even more when you already rely on another proc to boost your damage (Yes i don’t really like procs :p). So is nerien that powerfull to keep it? Or it’s more about your flavor? :o

     

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    Orody said on September 9, 2015 :

    Mashinate said on September 9, 2015 :

    Thanks for the warm words ^^. They both serve their uses, with the new updates to spell resistance on mobs though, I’d highly recommend to roll Sharpened. I was playing with the thought to use precise aswell with scathing mage, but you need every little drop of spell penetration you can get atm.

    You’re welcome, i was waiting for a magicka NB post since the update. Ok for the staff, i’m currently running precise to get a “decent” crit rate (only have 40% so far…) but i lack some good stuff yet.

    Regarding the stuff, i have planed to go for 5 Scathing, 2(3) Torug, 1 Molag Kena and 3 Willpower (if one day i can have all of that). As i never played with the nerien’eth set, i though that a flat bonus to SP will be better than relying on a proc to deal damage. Even more when you already rely on another proc to boost your damage (Yes i don’t really like procs :p). So is nerien that powerfull to keep it? Or it’s more about your flavor?

    Nerien’eth is the way to go for AoE and static fights. For more dynamic fights I’d move onto Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena dependant on how much resources I will need for the fight. Relying on procs is imo a poor approach, as I’ve always said. I prefer more raw stats, but lets be real here. Would you want 250 spell damage, or would you want 10% crit and almost a 247 procable 500 spell damage boost?

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    Raid Scores: vMoL: 165456 – SO: 173761 – HRC: 157023 – AA: – vHoF

    Characters: Love Wizard (DK – Retired) – mashinate (NB – Retired)Godblade (NB) - Hjelmi’s Sister (NB) - Mashixo (SC)

    NB Guide: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

    Parses: 58,2k Hunter Fabricants (1st vHoF) – 36,2k Reactor (4th vHoF) – 42,7k Assembly General (5th vHoF)

    Guilds: Hodor

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    Anlaemar

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    Seeing you roll a Magicka NB as a Wood Elf has encouraged me to switch over my Khajiit NB to it. xD Since the update I’ve been seeing and hearing a lot of good things about them and I’ve gotten bored of the stamina route.  Only thing that has been holding me back in my race. Wouldn’t call myself a min/maxer, but I want to make sure I’m competitive.

     

    Great guide. :)

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