[PvE 3.x] Flim Flamed – The Salty version of a Magicka DK [vHoF approved]

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    Vezuls said on February 15, 2017 :

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 15, 2017 :

    Okay so just the atros, thanks. Yeah I just wanted to test uptime on power lash in the raid group I was in and it wasnt as high as I would’ve liked it to be, the guy that does math for our group says power lash will do more overall DPS than molten whip. Since math is all I have and since we can’t parse I’m just gonna with the math until I can get a controlled test on console or if a PC player does a parse with molten and another with lash

    Based on math Flame Lash should better, even factoring in the loss of spell damage on ardent flame abilities since Off Balance will always be up on most bosses in good raid groups. Factor in the Heal you get from it….. I may take off harness lol. (Not really cuz dampen is OP)

    I took off harness tonight for the first time in a long time and didn’t have any issues only time I died was cause I got cleaved in execute phase cause I wasn’t paying attention lol. Don’t think I’d take harness off for HM vmol or hm AA idk lol

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    USMCSTARLORD said on February 15, 2017 :

    Vezuls said on February 15, 2017 :

    1. Why are you using power lash and it’s not Homestead? Just testing I presume?
    2. From what I have concluded, Atro’s can not be concussed: Storm Atro in AA, Foundation Atro in AA, and Air Atro in HRC can not be concussed, therefore they can not be set off balanced because of their inability to be concussed.
    3. Based of this assessment, you must deduce the time you spend on those bosses in trials to see if it’s worth it or not. Air Atro is around a 2 min fight in HRC. Fastest guild run HRC in 18 min (I think), it’s worth it to still run off balance. Same with AA. First two bosses are 5 minutes of the 20 minute trial, tops, so the off balance set up would still be better.

    Okay so just the atros, thanks. Yeah I just wanted to test uptime on power lash in the raid group I was in and it wasnt as high as I would’ve liked it to be, the guy that does math for our group says power lash will do more overall DPS than molten whip. Since math is all I have and since we can’t parse I’m just gonna with the math until I can get a controlled test on console or if a PC player does a parse with molten and another with lash

    Our healers have been running blockade for us with zero issue, keeping the target offbalance nearly 100%, but I can tell you on my parses out of 100 Flame Lashes I may get 40 at best to be Power Lashes. The DPS increase is marginal and at best around 1k imho. From personal experience running it, the proc flashes on and off making it hard to hit it on proc. I am told it depends on how many DK in group have that morph…

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    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 15, 2017 :

    Okay so just the atros, thanks. Yeah I just wanted to test uptime on power lash in the raid group I was in and it wasnt as high as I would’ve liked it to be, the guy that does math for our group says power lash will do more overall DPS than molten whip. Since math is all I have and since we can’t parse I’m just gonna with the math until I can get a controlled test on console or if a PC player does a parse with molten and another with lash

    Our healers have been running blockade for us with zero issue, keeping the target offbalance nearly 100%, but I can tell you on my parses out of 100 Flame Lashes I may get 40 at best to be Power Lashes. The DPS increase is marginal and at best around 1k imho. From personal experience running it, the proc flashes on and off making it hard to hit it on proc. I am told it depends on how many DK in group have that morph…

    But regardless if it’s marginal or not the heal from power lash should make it better than molten on top of the marginal DPS increase right?

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    USMCSTARLORD said on February 15, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    Our healers have been running blockade for us with zero issue, keeping the target offbalance nearly 100%, but I can tell you on my parses out of 100 Flame Lashes I may get 40 at best to be Power Lashes. The DPS increase is marginal and at best around 1k imho. From personal experience running it, the proc flashes on and off making it hard to hit it on proc. I am told it depends on how many DK in group have that morph…

    But regardless if it’s marginal or not the heal from power lash should make it better than molten on top of the marginal DPS increase right?

    Its useful, but the DK already has so much survivability built in its redundant.

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    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 15, 2017 :

    But regardless if it’s marginal or not the heal from power lash should make it better than molten on top of the marginal DPS increase right?

    Its useful, but the DK already has so much survivability built in its redundant.

    True. Plus as a melee in VmoL HM, there are few times you actually need harness.

    Also, it’s strange that only 40/100 get the proc…. Could it be because since the bosses are concussed 100% of the time, each tick of blockade resets it off balance, and if you hit flame lash in the moment the off balance resets, it won’t register the off balance on flame lash, but still give the bonus from the exploiter passive?

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    Vezuls said on February 16, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    Its useful, but the DK already has so much survivability built in its redundant.

    True. Plus as a melee in VmoL HM, there are few times you actually need harness.

    Also, it’s strange that only 40/100 get the proc…. Could it be because since the bosses are concussed 100% of the time, each tick of blockade resets it off balance, and if you hit flame lash in the moment the off balance resets, it won’t register the off balance on flame lash, but still give the bonus from the exploiter passive?

    Possibly

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    Vezuls said on February 16, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    Its useful, but the DK already has so much survivability built in its redundant.

    True. Plus as a melee in VmoL HM, there are few times you actually need harness.

    Also, it’s strange that only 40/100 get the proc…. Could it be because since the bosses are concussed 100% of the time, each tick of blockade resets it off balance, and if you hit flame lash in the moment the off balance resets, it won’t register the off balance on flame lash, but still give the bonus from the exploiter passive?

    Either that, or could it be possible that the power lash proc is target based and if another dk runs it could take away your power lash proc and use the other dks instead

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    USMCSTARLORD said on February 16, 2017 :

    Vezuls said on February 16, 2017 :

    True. Plus as a melee in VmoL HM, there are few times you actually need harness.

    Also, it’s strange that only 40/100 get the proc…. Could it be because since the bosses are concussed 100% of the time, each tick of blockade resets it off balance, and if you hit flame lash in the moment the off balance resets, it won’t register the off balance on flame lash, but still give the bonus from the exploiter passive?

    Either that, or could it be possible that the power lash proc is target based and if another dk runs it could take away your power lash proc and use the other dks instead

    That option is less likely, but I’d never put it past ZOS to fuck up something like this again. We all saw it with Embers/Engulfing DoTs not stacking on a target so perhaps it’s the same with Flame Lash.

    Most likely it’s what @Vezuls said as it makes the most sense assuming ZOS actually coded the exploiter shit correctly.

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    That’s why I was thinking that, guess next time nos can just have one dk run flame lash and see if it significantly improves power lash procs to disprove my theory and prove vezuls

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    USMCSTARLORD said on February 16, 2017 :

    That’s why I was thinking that, guess next time nos can just have one dk run flame lash and see if it significantly improves power lash procs to disprove my theory and prove vezuls

    Exactly my thoughts aswell. I still don’t have enough time to do any thorough tests myself, but I’m gonna look into the Flame Lash morph relatively soon and report my findings then. Don’t know when it’ll be tho as school is taking it’s toll atm.

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    pretzl said on February 16, 2017 :

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 16, 2017 :

    That’s why I was thinking that, guess next time nos can just have one dk run flame lash and see if it significantly improves power lash procs to disprove my theory and prove vezuls

    Exactly my thoughts aswell. I still don’t have enough time to do any thorough tests myself, but I’m gonna look into the Flame Lash morph relatively soon and report my findings then. Don’t know when it’ll be tho as school is taking it’s toll atm.

    Do you know when you’ll be releasing the new rotation you talked about a couple pages ago?

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    AuronXavier said on February 16, 2017 :

    pretzl said on February 16, 2017 :

    Exactly my thoughts aswell. I still don’t have enough time to do any thorough tests myself, but I’m gonna look into the Flame Lash morph relatively soon and report my findings then. Don’t know when it’ll be tho as school is taking it’s toll atm.

    Do you know when you’ll be releasing the new rotation you talked about a couple pages ago?

    I’m gonna go ahead and edit that now :)

    It’s not a big change, but it adds significant DPS thus far.

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    pretzl said on February 16, 2017 :

    AuronXavier said on February 16, 2017 :

    Do you know when you’ll be releasing the new rotation you talked about a couple pages ago?

    I’m gonna go ahead and edit that now

    It’s not a big change, but it adds significant DPS thus far.

    Awesome! I’ve been periodically checking back to see if the main post had been updated. Looking forward to trying it out!

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    AuronXavier said on February 16, 2017 :

    pretzl said on February 16, 2017 :

    I’m gonna go ahead and edit that now

    It’s not a big change, but it adds significant DPS thus far.

    Awesome! I’ve been periodically checking back to see if the main post had been updated. Looking forward to trying it out!

    It’s up now :)

    As I said, it’s a small-ish change. It’s not very hard to get into, but it adds significant DPS as it lets your DoTs run out longer before reapplying them and you get a few more whips in with each rotation!

    Enjoy <3

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    Very nice man I think it’s almost like the one I am performing atm, just it changes position for the final 3 whips but it’s really the same!

    BTW I will test and try to define if lash hits are really depending from how many dks with that morph are in the raid.. But please if you have any developments please share! =))

     

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    I’ve got a question about cp. I’m only cp247 right now and wondering how to balance between Magician and Arcanist. Should I max out Magician first before putting points into Arcanist? Or vice versa? Or level them equally?

     

    If it matters, currently I’m Dunmer and geared with 5 BSW, 3 Julianos, 3 Willpower and working on getting Grothdarr.

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    USMCSTARLORD said on February 16, 2017 :

    That’s why I was thinking that, guess next time nos can just have one dk run flame lash and see if it significantly improves power lash procs to disprove my theory and prove vezuls

    So our noncore did vMoL today. I took my DK in there and was only one of 2 dks. The other dk ran Molten Whip. My uptime on Power Lash was easily over 50% of the time. So the presence of another DK with Flame Lash definitely lowers Power Lash uptime from.my experience.

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    Nosferatuzod said on February 17, 2017 :

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 16, 2017 :

    That’s why I was thinking that, guess next time nos can just have one dk run flame lash and see if it significantly improves power lash procs to disprove my theory and prove vezuls

    So our noncore did vMoL today. I took my DK in there and was only one of 2 dks. The other dk ran Molten Whip. My uptime on Power Lash was easily over 50% of the time. So the presence of another DK with Flame Lash definitely lowers Power Lash uptime from.my experience.

    Thanks for the testing as always I appreciate you! So would you suggest one running it the other not, both run it, or don’t run it at all?

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    AuronXavier said on February 16, 2017 :

    I’ve got a question about cp. I’m only cp247 right now and wondering how to balance between Magician and Arcanist. Should I max out Magician first before putting points into Arcanist? Or vice versa? Or level them equally?

    If it matters, currently I’m Dunmer and geared with 5 BSW, 3 Julianos, 3 Willpower and working on getting Grothdarr.

    Hey there!

    Usually, you’ll want to allocate your green CPs with 3 into reduce cost for every 1 CP you put into regen. That’s what I’d suggest for you aswell :)

    USMCSTARLORD said on February 17, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on February 17, 2017 :

    So our noncore did vMoL today. I took my DK in there and was only one of 2 dks. The other dk ran Molten Whip. My uptime on Power Lash was easily over 50% of the time. So the presence of another DK with Flame Lash definitely lowers Power Lash uptime from.my experience.

    Thanks for the testing as always I appreciate you! So would you suggest one running it the other not, both run it, or don’t run it at all?

    Most likely, if the uptime truly is only around 50%, you’ll at most want to run 1 mDK with Flame Lash. But even then it may not be beneficial enough…

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    Vezuls said on February 16, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on February 15, 2017 :

    Its useful, but the DK already has so much survivability built in its redundant.

    True. Plus as a melee in VmoL HM, there are few times you actually need harness.

    Also, it’s strange that only 40/100 get the proc…. Could it be because since the bosses are concussed 100% of the time, each tick of blockade resets it off balance, and if you hit flame lash in the moment the off balance resets, it won’t register the off balance on flame lash, but still give the bonus from the exploiter passive?

    All,

     

    Our group went in the other night and did some testing around off balance on some dungeon bosses (specifically slimecraw for ease of viewing).

    We noted the following:
    1.  Once off balance procs, its up for 4 seconds.

    2.  Regardless of damage delivered and by whom, off-balance remains active (white spinning lines around head)

    3.  Blockade was not ‘resetting’ the off balance as we had the same person applying lightning wall and about every 5 to 6 seconds (only 2 sorcs present) off balance would proc for 4

     

    We will do a bit more testing tonight, but it appears to be one of two things…
    1.  Flame Lash is a target based proc (highly unlikely, BUT would make sense from a PVP point of view…).
    2.  Also remember the issue with other dk skills ‘stacking improperly’ on targets…
    3.  Flame Lash actually consumes the off balance.  When we did our testing, we had a tank, 2 sorcs and a plar.  We need to add in a dk to test lash (as we were solely focused on off balance and not lash).

    To me, the most likely answer to this is #2.

    I will have more stuff to feed back after tonight.  But I can say this, in a warrior fight last night, with one dk in the group, my dk reported that his lash was up for full roto’s on several of them.  Meaning, that with only one dk, it was almost always up for him.

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