[PvE 2.6.x] Flim Flamed – The Salty version of a Magicka DK [vMoL HM approved]

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    Shiro said on January 6, 2017 :

    To only have 5xBSW on off bar should impact the uptime though?

    Most likely only alittle. I’ve seen people running it as dw off-bar with pretty decent results. The problem is that you still loose too much weaving damage so it’s rendered slightly useless. Especially now with the destro changes.

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    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Shiro said on January 6, 2017 :

    To only have 5xBSW on off bar should impact the uptime though?

    Most likely only alittle. I’ve seen people running it as dw off-bar with pretty decent results. The problem is that you still loose too much weaving damage so it’s rendered slightly useless. Especially now with the destro changes.

     

    Have you had time to test if inferno/lightning will be required or if it’s possible with other setups?

    The AoE damage boost seems to good to pass up, and since you can use fire ulti, then bar swap to get the benefit, I get the feeling this will be a must?

    And will we have to use VMA fire on front bar then, simce you want fire blockade and lightning staff is on back?

    Also is Grothdarr still BiS, or will we see the shift to 2x5pcs sets?

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    Shiro said on January 6, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Most likely only alittle. I’ve seen people running it as dw off-bar with pretty decent results. The problem is that you still loose too much weaving damage so it’s rendered slightly useless. Especially now with the destro changes.

    Have you had time to test if inferno/lightning will be requiredor if it’s possible with other setups?

    The AoE damage boost seems to good to pass up, and since you can use fire ulti, then bar swap to get the benefit, I get the feeling this will be a must?

    And will we have to use VMA fire on front bar then, simceyou want fire blockade and lightning staff is on back?

    Also is Grothdarr still BiS, or will we see the shift to 2x5pcs sets?

    I haven’t been able to test much yet as my time is relatively limited until later tonight. I’ll have ample time to test everything I want to test this weekend – I hope.

    So far, thought, I don’t think the AoE dmg boost is strictly necessary, but in that case I’ll swap things around like you’ve suggested as far as staves + vMA blockade goes. I think my build will continue to be focused on ST damage as opposed to the 3-4 other Lightning Heavy AoE focused builds on this forum, but I’ll still do the necessary testing to make sure I’m always providing you guys with the best possible options.

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    For me personally, I only weave Eruption, Trap/Drain, and Inferno(which is a bar swap weave), so I only lose like 1 or 2 light weave on the off-bar, and I believe this is not enough to outweigh the bonus dual wield offers, but I’m not sure if that is how it would work out

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    zbzszzzt123 said on January 6, 2017 :

    For me personally, I only weave Eruption, Trap/Drain, and Inferno(which is a bar swap weave), so I only lose like 1 or 2 light weave on the off-bar, and I believe this is not enough to outweigh the bonus dual wield offers, but I’m not sure if that is how it would work out

    Ahh, well in that case the loss is marginal – maybe even more beneficial to run DW. I personally weave Eruption, Trap, FoO and blockade for a total of 4-5 weaves depending on where in my rotation it is. That’d be too big of a loss…

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    Okay so, preliminary testing over 2 evenings of PTS;

    The increase in CPs alone will more or less make up for the “nerf” to major/minor force as far as DPS is concerned.

    With a basis of 561 CPs, gold Mother’s Sorrow + Gold Grothdarr + purple Destructive Mage + 2x vMA Destro, whip increase in damage is more than making up for the loss in DPS of Standard. Add that 8% on top of it and we’re looking at a nice damage increase of roughly 600 non-crit and 800 crit per whip from the 8% alone. As far as single-target damage is concerned, even when using Eruption, Standard, Blockade as our AoE skills, use of lightning staff is not warranted.

    FoO, Trap and Meteor don’t seem to be affected by the Lightning Staff AoE increase. Eruption, Blockade and Standard are being affected by it.

    I can’t say much about gear yet given we don’t have char copies, but even then I cannot test any reasonable Dual Wield options without farming hardcore before we get copies and I don’t think I have the motivation to do it either… Even then, theorycrafting shows that with my rotation lightning staff or dual wielding is not beneficial, whereas destro+destro is still the best option. LA weaving is showing an increase of 100 non-crit and 250 crit per weave, making it outweigh any feasible gearing option to suggest otherwise. This is wile considering Grothdarr a viable option, which it may not be. Like I said; I cannot test gear properly just yet.

    If any NA players are able to test the dual wielding option, please let me know if your findings. Until we get char copies, I can’t do shit with that option and even then I may not be able to report anything usable.

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    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Okay so, preliminary testing over 2 evenings of PTS;

    The increase in CPs alone will more or less make up for the “nerf” to major/minor force as far as DPS is concerned.

    With a basis of 561 CPs, gold Mother’s Sorrow + Gold Grothdarr + purple Destructive Mage + 2x vMA Destro, whip increase in damage is more than making up for the loss in DPS of Standard. Add that 8% on top of it and we’re looking at a nice damage increase of roughly 600 non-crit and 800 crit per whip from the 8% alone. As far as single-target damage is concerned, even when using Eruption, Standard, Blockade as our AoE skills, use of lightning staff is not warranted.

    FoO, Trap and Meteor don’t seem to be affected by the Lightning Staff AoE increase. Eruption, Blockade and Standard are being affected by it.

    I can’t say much about gear yet given we don’t have char copies, but even then I cannot test any reasonable Dual Wield options without farming hardcore before we get copies and I don’t think I have the motivation to do it either… Even then, theorycrafting shows that withmy rotation lightning staff or dual wielding is not beneficial, whereas destro+destro is still the best option. LA weaving is showing an increase of 100 non-crit and 250 crit per weave, making it outweigh any feasible gearing option to suggest otherwise. This is wile considering Grothdarr a viable option, which it may not be. Like I said; I cannot test gear properly just yet.

    If any NA players are able to test the dual wielding option, please let me know if your findings. Until we get char copies, I can’t do shit with that option and even then I may not be able to report anything usable.

    Idk about DW, but running dual staff and running the Destro Ulti seems to give me more single target damage (higher parses every time) than banner. Would appreciate others comparing the damage, becausw if its better on ST, its definitely BiS in AoE..

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 6, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Okay so, preliminary testing over 2 evenings of PTS;

    The increase in CPs alone will more or less make up for the “nerf” to major/minor force as far as DPS is concerned.

    With a basis of 561 CPs, gold Mother’s Sorrow + Gold Grothdarr + purple Destructive Mage + 2x vMA Destro, whip increase in damage is more than making up for the loss in DPS of Standard. Add that 8% on top of it and we’re looking at a nice damage increase of roughly 600 non-crit and 800 crit per whip from the 8% alone. As far as single-target damage is concerned, even when using Eruption, Standard, Blockade as our AoE skills, use of lightning staff is not warranted.

    FoO, Trap and Meteor don’t seem to be affected by the Lightning Staff AoE increase. Eruption, Blockade and Standard are being affected by it.

    I can’t say much about gear yet given we don’t have char copies, but even then I cannot test any reasonable Dual Wield options without farming hardcore before we get copies and I don’t think I have the motivation to do it either… Even then, theorycrafting shows that withmy rotation lightning staff or dual wielding is not beneficial, whereas destro+destro is still the best option. LA weaving is showing an increase of 100 non-crit and 250 crit per weave, making it outweigh any feasible gearing option to suggest otherwise. This is wile considering Grothdarr a viable option, which it may not be. Like I said; I cannot test gear properly just yet.

    If any NA players are able to test the dual wielding option, please let me know if your findings. Until we get char copies, I can’t do shit with that option and even then I may not be able to report anything usable.

    Idk about DW, but running dual staff and running the Destro Ulti seems to give me more single target damage (higher parses every time) than banner. Would appreciate others comparing the damage, becausw if its better on ST, its definitely BiS in AoE..

    It already is BiS for AoE xd

    As far as Banner vs. Destro in pure ST, I’m gonna guess Banner atm but I’ll make this a priority to test. The nerf in damage isn’t that huge and the increase in DMG to whips is still there.

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    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 6, 2017 :

    Idk about DW, but running dual staff and running the Destro Ulti seems to give me more single target damage (higher parses every time) than banner. Would appreciate others comparing the damage, becausw if its better on ST, its definitely BiS in AoE..

    It already is BiS for AoE xd

    As far as Banner vs. Destro in pure ST, I’m gonna guess Banner atm but I’ll make this a priority to test. The nerf in damage isn’t that huge and the increase in DMG to whips is still there.

    I had my parses on the target skeleton hit 2k higher with destro ulti than with banner. When I started to think why thatvwas the case I looked at it. Banner for me is up around 40% of the time. The damage bonus from it is 15%, meaning it gives about 6% dps increase averaged during the entire length of the fight. On my parse banner was around 4.5% of overall dps, versus destro Ulti being 10%+. Basically they seem to be on par…however I believe that if you were to use lightning staff back bar it would be BiS since you dont do single target damage on your back bar and your DoTs get buffes by the staff. Also lightning destro ulti does more damage than the fire one.

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 6, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    It already is BiS for AoE xd

    As far as Banner vs. Destro in pure ST, I’m gonna guess Banner atm but I’ll make this a priority to test. The nerf in damage isn’t that huge and the increase in DMG to whips is still there.

    I had my parses on the target skeleton hit 2k higher with destro ulti than with banner. When I started to think why thatvwas the case I looked at it. Banner for me is up around 40% of the time. The damage bonus from it is 15%, meaning it gives about 6% dps increase averaged during the entire length of the fight. On my parse banner was around 4.5% of overall dps, versus destro Ulti being 10%+. Basically they seem to be on par…however I believe that if you were to use lightning staff back bar it would be BiS since you dont do single target damage on your back bar and your DoTs get buffes by the staff. Also lightning destro ulti does more damage than the fire one.

    Wait, does the AoE buff from lightning carry over even if you swap bars? If that’s the case, that’s retarded. I hope it doesn’t get buffed by both…

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    In your testing, did you have a lightning staff on your mainbar? So Destro ulti used on offbar, barswap, then continue with your normal rotation. This should explain the increase in damage you’re seeing with Destro Ult. Even if it hits 1 target, it’s affected by lightning staff’s AoE boost, hence why it seems to be better than banner.

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    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 6, 2017 :

    I had my parses on the target skeleton hit 2k higher with destro ulti than with banner. When I started to think why thatvwas the case I looked at it. Banner for me is up around 40% of the time. The damage bonus from it is 15%, meaning it gives about 6% dps increase averaged during the entire length of the fight. On my parse banner was around 4.5% of overall dps, versus destro Ulti being 10%+. Basically they seem to be on par…however I believe that if you were to use lightning staff back bar it would be BiS since you dont do single target damage on your back bar and your DoTs get buffes by the staff. Also lightning destro ulti does more damage than the fire one.

    Wait, does the AoE buff from lightning carry over even if you swap bars? If that’s the case, that’s retarded. I hope it doesn’t get buffed by both…

    EDIT:

    In your testing, did you have a lightning staff on your mainbar? So Destro ulti used on offbar, barswap, then continue with your normal rotation. This should explain the increase in damage you’re seeing with Destro Ult. Even if it hits 1 target, it’s affected by lightning staff’s AoE boost, hence why it seems to be better than banner.

    I did Fire staff main bar lightning off bar and no the buff from destro staff depends on active bar…

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 6, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 6, 2017 :

    Wait, does the AoE buff from lightning carry over even if you swap bars? If that’s the case, that’s retarded. I hope it doesn’t get buffed by both…

    EDIT:

    In your testing, did you have a lightning staff on your mainbar? So Destro ulti used on offbar, barswap, then continue with your normal rotation. This should explain the increase in damage you’re seeing with Destro Ult. Even if it hits 1 target, it’s affected by lightning staff’s AoE boost, hence why it seems to be better than banner.

    I did Fire staff main bar lightning off bar and no the buff from destro staff depends on active bar…

    No yeah, destro staff ik needs to be on same bar, but ait thanks.

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    Ahhhh I’m glad all you guys are getting to test this stuff. I’m itching for this update to come out. Glad that MagDk didn’t get overly screwed and that the changes for us hopefully wont cost an arm and a leg. looks like skills and rotations might change a little but otherwise excited to see your guys results.

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    Any major changes to setups from your PTS testing? :)

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    Shiro said on January 12, 2017 :

    @pretzl

    Any major changes to setups from your PTS testing?

    I haven’t gotten around to much testing since we don’t have templates, so I’ve really only tested the impact of th nerfs. I’m on vacation in iceland atm so I’ll test setups once I get home and we get eu copies :)

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    pretzl said on January 13, 2017 :

    Shiro said on January 12, 2017 :

    @pretzl

    Any major changes to setups from your PTS testing?

    I haven’t gotten around to much testing since we don’t have templates, so I’ve really only tested the impact of th nerfs. I’m on vacation in iceland atm so I’ll test setups once I get home and we get eu copies

    Hope you have/had a nice vacation!

    Grothdarr still BiS or 2x5pc sets instead? (BSW+MD/Julianos/SotS?)

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    Shiro said on January 19, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 13, 2017 :

    I haven’t gotten around to much testing since we don’t have templates, so I’ve really only tested the impact of th nerfs. I’m on vacation in iceland atm so I’ll test setups once I get home and we get eu copies

    Hope you have/had a nice vacation!

    Grothdarr still BiS or 2x5pc sets instead? (BSW+MD/Julianos/SotS?)

    My PTS refuses to update and instead just crashes with a shitty report which gives me no info. Can’t say much based on my own testing at this point in time, but as far as info from credible sources say, Grothdarr will still be BiS for us. Don’t think the setup gear-wise will change at all.

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    I know this isn’t the right place for this but I can’t find a reliable templar build on the forums and seeing as how iv followed this one for some time now I thought maybe you could ease some of my frustration.

     

    My guild is having me DD as a magplar and with the new update there is a lot of speculation on what will be bis and no one has really given any core answers to questions like

    Will we run a shock or flame staff on front bar and also what sets will be viable for update

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    rougetoaster45 said on January 19, 2017 :

    I know this isn’t the right place for this but I can’t find a reliable templar build on the forums and seeing as how iv followed this one for some time now I thought maybe you could ease some of my frustration.

    My guild is having me DD as a magplar and with the new update there is a lot of speculation on what will be bis and no one has really given any core answers to questions like

    Will we run a shock or flame staff on front bar and also what sets will be viable for update

    I’m not really a magplar mainer, but I play it fairly often whenever I feel like it and there’s no need for a chainer.

    I unfortunately cannot give you any hard answers either, but I’m fairly certain shock mainbar fire offbar is the way to go next patch. Don’t know about sets though. @AlfonsoV or @Latter might be able to help you more.

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    pretzl said on January 19, 2017 :

    rougetoaster45 said on January 19, 2017 :

    I know this isn’t the right place for this but I can’t find a reliable templar build on the forums and seeing as how iv followed this one for some time now I thought maybe you could ease some of my frustration.

    My guild is having me DD as a magplar and with the new update there is a lot of speculation on what will be bis and no one has really given any core answers to questions like

    Will we run a shock or flame staff on front bar and also what sets will be viable for update

    I’m not really a magplar mainer, but I play it fairly often whenever I feel like it and there’s no need for a chainer.

    I unfortunately cannot give you any hard answers either, but I’m fairly certain shock mainbar fire offbar is the way to go next patch. Don’t know about sets though. @AlfonsoV or @Latter might be able to help you more.

    @rougetoaster45

    we will do a PTS raid tonight, i’ll be able to tell you more afterwards.

    I’ll be updating findings in this thread: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/latters-magplar-dd-for-vet-dungeons-trials/page/35/#post-673447

    so keep an eye on it if you’d like.

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