[PvE 3.x] Flim Flamed – The Salty version of a Magicka DK [vHoF approved]

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    Flim flamed – the Whips ‘n’ chains rebirth

    Welcome to my build-thread for the Magicka DK in Morrowind. This build is, for all intents and purposes, for PvE only and will aim to keep Magicka DKs at their current, highly esteemed level. Morrowind has brought alot of resource changes which affects our playstyle in a few very noticeable ways. This buildpost will be two-part and will provide you with a decent explanation of both parts so you can make up your own mind about how you want to play your Magicka DK.

    This build is largely based on @IWM’s Magicka DK build, but with my own opinions and testing for this new DLC. I’ll be trying to minimize the grind for gear, whilst putting in my opinions on several different setups, tell you why they may or may not work aswell as listing my preferred and basic setups.

    Enjoy!

    Changelog

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    11.03.2016 – The Birth of the Build

    11.03.2016 – Fixed typos

    28.03.2016 – Updated the build extensively. Added new gear, new skills, MoL specific setups, updated CPs and added more depth to the MoL section.

    29.03.2016 – Fixed errors with gearsets and changed non-Kena gear to a levelling build. Thanks @Latin for the help with enchants!

    30.05.2016 – Fixed errors, typos and cleaned up the vMoL section a bit. Started minor updates for Dark Brotherhood.

    03.08.2016 – Major update to reflect changes in the Shadows of the Hist DLC.

    03.08.2016 – Updated build with a less complex rotation, courtecy of @AlfonsoV

    06.08.2016 – Updated Character Sheet picture and fixed typos all over OP. Thanks @Drungly for pointing out errors!

    10.08.2016 – Made an attempt to make the rotation more simple and understandable. Also reintroduced the FAQ section.

    26.09.2016 – Updated the build for One Tamriel! Also changed the “Gear I want to test” section to “Optional Gearsets” to reflect the large influx of options we now have when choosing gear.

    26.09.2016 – Fixed typos and formatting. Clarified why I’m using Entropy.

    28.09.2016 – Fixed even more typos…

    29.09.2016 – Uploaded some new parses

    08.10.2016 – Fixed some minor stuff and added more parses from pre-1T.

    19.10.2016 – Added new parses with the 1T setup and revised the rotation.

    25.10.2016 – Fixed an error in the rotation. Thanks @RUNNINGCOUNT

    19.11.2016 – Updated the BiS gear

    29.11.2016 – Fixed some formatting. Added AA parses. Fixed parse section formatting.

    01.12.2016 – Added some new parses and renamed the build, thanks @ConnorWoods and @Kieranwoods93

    02.12.2016 – Revised the rotation alittle as I thought I had done that weeks ago. Further explained some aspects of the build.

    03.02.2017 – Updated for Homestead.

    07.02.2017 – Fixed some images such as character sheet and CPs.

    11.02.2017 – Updated some parses. Some are from Homestead, others are from One Tamriel.

    16.02.2017 – Revised the rotation (thanks to @Vezuls) and added some new parses.

    08.03.2017 – Added some parses

    14.03.2017 – New AA parses

    21.03.2017 – HelRa parses

    30.03.2017 – AA parses

    10.04.2017 – Added Video-Guide for rotation!

    11.04.2017 – Fixed some errors in the text rotation. Thank you, @RUNNINGCOUNT

    02.06.2017 – Updated the build for Morrowind

    Character sheet

    As you can see I have provided two character sheets. The first is using Grothdarr, Blue mag+HP food and one regen glyph. The second is using Skoria, Witchmother’s Brew and 3 Spell DMG glyphs.

    Gear

    The “I’m not CP160 yet!”- Setup

    Perfect for leveling. Magicka Furnace gives alot of magicka aswell as resistances and Torug’s gives Spell DMG and health so it’s the perfect combo. Skills are mostly the same, but if you’re solo leveling you might wanna consider some more self-heals such as inhale, rapid regen and/or healing ward.

    The Best-in-Slot Powerhouse

    Divines on all 7 pieces is extremely important. You also want 5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy for the Undaunted passives.

    As I said in my opening statement, this build will be two-part for Morrowind. This is due to the sustain changes and how it affects gameplay in various trials. Because of how hard of a nerf the sustain changes were, we need to focus more on regen – especially for Halls of Fabrication. The first screenshot is aimed for the older trials where healers are comfortable enough to provide proper sustain utility. In vHoF, there is still so much going on with every fight having sustain-crippling mechanics. Until these are more avoidable, we need to run Witchmother’s Brew. With the change in health this results in, we also need to up that with Skoria. Which gear you choose is solely up to you, but I prefer the setups as I’ve listed them – one for older trials and one for vHoF. Both are working well in all trials, but the latter allows you more mistakes in terms of draining shock and the likes.

    Optional Gearsetups

    This section will be updated at a later point. For now, the only other option is substituting Silks of the Sun with Burning Spellwave – a very viable option, but impossible while running Witchmother’s Brew.

    Skills

     

    These are my skills in most instances. I’ll go into more detail below.

    Main-bar

    1. Flame Lash – Your main spammable. With Morrowind, sustain is a huge factor we need to consider. Uptime of Off-Balance in this patch is still a desirable increase in damage and our Flame Lash’s consumption of it will not affect the raid in any major way. Additionally, it provides more damage per cast than Molten Whip and is a free cast when it procs. It’s just a skill we cannot do without after these changes.
    2. Engulfing Flames – A nice DoT which buffs all of our fire attacks. Since 99% of our damage is fire, I’d say it’s a good idea to slot EF.
    3. Burning Embers – Also a nice DoT, but this one adds alittle healing to the mix aswell – even moreso in Thieves Guild. The damage coupled with the healing makes it a perfect DoT in our arsenal
    4. Elemental Blockade – With my testing, I couldn’t justify choosing Unstable Wall of Elements simply for it’s explosion. Therefore, I have chosen Elemental Blockade as my morph. It has a longer duration, so in my testing it ended up helping my rotation more than the extra explosion from UWoE. This skill is a must-have for anyone using Destro staff. Especially if you have the Maelstrom Destro!
    5. Inner Light – the unbeatable Max Magicka + Spell Crit slot. A must-have for all magicka builds! Our source for a constant Major Prophecy as well as +7% Max Magicka.
    6. ULTIMATE: Shooting Star – This ultimate is more for the passive 2% extra Max Magicka than anything, but it’s a very nice ultimate for trash-packs and such. We rarely use it, but the extra magicka it gives is very nice.

    Off-bar

    1. Eruption – An incredibly strong ground-DoT which lasts quite a while aswell. Place it where the boss will stay and watch it tick!
    2. Rearming Trap – Our source of Minor Force. You only need to pop it once every other rotation, but make sure to reapply it once your Minor Force runs out. It adds a crapton of DPS.
    3. Flames of Oblivion – With the changes in TG to this skill and it’s morphs, the choice of morph is obvious. We’re not healers, we’re DDs so we choose what’ll net us the most damage! I’ve had this bad-boy tick for 23k a pop so it’s definitely not worth trashing just yet.
    4. Dampen Magic – This is your main source of survivability in raids. Any magicka class needs a shield, where Dampen Magic is a extremely valuable asset in any magicka build’s arsenal. So why Dampen Magic over Harness Magicka? Because Harness can only ever refund up to 90% of it’s cost. In most situations, the effective value is closer to 60%. I value a bigger shield over a 60% refund in cost.
    5. Crushing Shock – This is mainly a filler-slot, but Crushing Shock provides great utility in interrupting casting mobs – espeically in vHoF where it often will be necessary. Here you can choose between slotting virtually anything or helping your raid in staying alive. I chose the latter.
    6. ULTIMATE: Standard of Might – Propably the best ultimate in the game DPS-wise. It not only does insane damage, but it also buffs our whips. Being our main spammable, this is too crazy to pass up on. Pop it and watch those numbers rise faster than a fat persons blood-pressure!

    Mundus Stone

    The choice here is relatively set in stone. We want to maintain a decent level of spell critical, so we’re going for the Thief stone. If you want the math behind it, check out @Asayre‘s fantastic work.

    Rotation

    Many people fear Magicka DKs for their rotation and the complexity involved. I think my rotation is fairly simple once you get into it, but it relies on alot of weaves and muscle memory. Keep your tongue straight and it’ll work like a charm!

    First off, terminology. FHA = Full Heavy Attack, LA = Light Attack, MA = Medium Attack, BC = Block Cancel.

    Pre fight you need to activate FoO, your potion and Inner Light in order to empower your Full Heavy. FHA -> eruption -> LA -> FoO -> LA -> trap -> LA -> standard -> LA -> embers -> LA -> engulfing -> LA -> Blockade -> 6x whip+LA -> LA -> Embers -> LA -> Engulfing -> LA -> Blockade -> LA -> Eruption -> LA -> FoO -> LA -> Trap -> LA -> 3x Whip+LA -> Embers -> LA -> Engulfing -> LA -> Blockade -> 5x Whip+LA ->  and rinse and repeat the rotation highlighted in green. Now, some aspects cannot be put into the rotation, such as reactivating Standard and Potions. Reactivate potions on cooldown and drop your standard either on cooldown or when it seems reasonable (Like when Mantikora spawns on Serpent or when Hulk spawns on Rakkhat). Additionally, with the sustain changes this patch, you will want to put a few Full Heavies into your rotation here and there. How these will fit for you is something I cannot decide or predict. I usually put one in as a substitute for 2x Whip + LA every other rotation and I’ll do fine. Without Witchmother’s Brew, you’ll definitely have to do a few more, but try some skeleton tests to see how it should fit into yours. From there, adapt to the mechanics in whichever dungeon or trial you do and you’ll be fine.

    The video below will show you how it works in practice and explains alittle more about situational skills and when to use your ulti etc.

    Champion Points

    These are extremely subject to change as my testing progresses. I’m basing my Mage CPs on @Asayre‘s incredibly helpful spreadsheet.

    In this patch, we still want to take full advantage of Off-Balance especially now that we run Flame Lash. Due to the changes in CPs, we also want a more even distribution given how frontloaded most trees are. With this in mind, our CP spread will look alot like:

    Frequently asked questions

    Q: What kind of potions and food do you use?
    A: Max Magicka + Max Health food or Witchmother’s Brew. Unfortunately we’re chugging potions like we have a bad Skooma addiction. If you don’t have the gold to spend, atleast try to use 2stat pots with Spell DMG and Magicka. If you’re really that cheap, you can also keep Entropy on your bar…

    Q: When do we get more parses?
    A: I upload them as often as I get them. I’m picky about my parses – especially now that we’re running a very different setup from previous updates – so don’t expect new parses every week.

    Q: What are your thoughts about this update and the state of Mag DK’s?
    A: I don’t enjoy most of the changes to be very honest. Sustain needed a change, but not as huge as this. MagDK used to have a very intriguing playstyle and rotation. Now it just feels like meh. I’m still attempting to stick with my long-time love in this game, but it’s starting to get tedious for me atleast…

    Parses

    Spoiler:

    Maw of Lorkhaj

    2.7.x

    2.6.x – While Chaining

    2.6.x – Non-HM

    2.7.x – With HM

    Aetherian Archive

    All parses 2.7.x

    Hel-Ra Citadel

    All parses 2.7.x

    Sanctum Ophidia

    Coming soon

    Credits

    First off, I’d like to thank @IWM, Mashinate, for the original Whips ‘n’ Chains build. I’d also like to thank him for theorycrafting with me alittle during the early phases of TG PTS.

    Secondly, I’d like to thank @AlfonsoV for helping me getting started with the Magicka DK aswell as theorycrafting and testing with me for hours on end. It’s been a hell of a ride!

    Notable thanks go out to @Cordee for helping me with testing, @benawaw89 for healthy theorycrafting, @Koshka-Murka for moral support and @Asayre for being nothing short of a mathematical gaming genius. I’d also like to give a shoutout to the fantastic people such as @SleepyRip, @SapphireFury, @Wikter, @GeorgeWall and many others that were nice enough to share their dropped armor pieces since RNGesus is never on my side.

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    Thanks for the shout out man.

    Curious to see those parses tho xD

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    AlfonsoV said on March 11, 2016 :

    Thanks for the shout out man.

    Curious to see those parses tho xD

    They’ll come soon enough.

    I need a Manti parse and a few from Hel-Ra/AA to make it good. I also need an actual Bloodspawn with a healer who’s got the right skills… Plebs, man.

    I also need to get the remaining 200k AP for Proxy… Heh.

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    Thanks for sharing.

     

    Hey guys! It’s Deltia from Deltia’s Gam… Err.

    Awsome start. Now I can have a good nights sleep.

     

    You mean the Elemental Blockade morph when talking about WoE I guess.

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    Calvo said on March 11, 2016 :

    Thanks for sharing.

    Hey guys! It’s Deltia from Deltia’s Gam… Err.

    Awsome start. Now I can have a good nights sleep.

    You mean the Elemental Blockade morph when talking about WoE I guess.

    Correcteroni.

    I’ll edit that to make it more clear. Thanks!

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    Looking forward to seeing parses as well, love my decision to switch mains justified :P

    I’ve always been willing to help with utility along with being main DD so my build is essentially the same except with valkyn instead of kena (more sustain and looks way better and I care about such things), ele drain and molten weapons, and right now flip-flopping btw ele ring and talons and draw essence. My biggest issue atm is figuring out which abilities go on which bars, so I’ll play around with your placement. Sure it’s a DPS loss to run so many extra utility abilitiesbut I’ve gotten used to having them in my rotation and it nearly guarantees I am self sustaining without needing pots, even if someone in group like healer goes down.

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    chaomera888 said on March 11, 2016 :

    Looking forward to seeing parses as well, love my decision to switch mains justified

    I’ve always been willing to help with utility along with being main DD so my build is essentially the same except with valkyn instead of kena (more sustain and looks way better and I care about such things), ele drain and molten weapons, and right now flip-flopping btw ele ring and talons and draw essence. My biggest issue atm is figuring out which abilities go on which bars, so I’ll play around with your placement. Sure it’s a DPS loss to run so many extra utility abilitiesbut I’ve gotten used to having them in my rotation and it nearly guarantees I am self sustaining without needing pots, even if someone in group like healer goes down.

    Haha, I feel ya.

    I wanted Valkyn to be good again so badly because I LOVE the way it looks, but I’m more a min/maxer than an aesthetically fixated person, unfortunately.

    I was also wondering about Draw Essence for a while. If you absolutely need it, I’d say slot it on your back-bar and have Elemental Wall on your main bar. We want 100% uptime of that anyways, so it’s a good re-slot.

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    I think Dual Wield would be good for Talons/Draw Essence. I don’t have Twinblade and Blunt passive yet, but it gives me around 500 SP more on the dw bar + Torugs.

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    Caradryan said on March 12, 2016 :

    I think Dual Wield would be good for Talons/Draw Essence. I don’t have Twinblade and Blunt passive yet, but it gives me around 500 SP more on the dw bar + Torugs.

    The problem with that is that either you’re sacrificing Weaving on your main bar (a bigger DPS loss) or you’re sacrificing most of your AoE skills on your off-bar, which is also a DPS loss. I just don’t find DW swords that good on a DK, but on a NB or Sorc I wouldn’t go without them!

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    Looks like a pretty good build if you run with a healer and a tank. Even then I’d say you had better invest in stacks of soul gems.

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    Anti-Gov said on March 12, 2016 :

    Looks like a pretty good build if you run with a healer and a tank. Even then I’d say you had better invest in stacks of soul gems.

    With 501 CPs, staying alive isn’t very hard – even at 16k HP. If you’re having trouble, swap one Arcane Willpower ring/neck for a healthy one :D

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    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    Anti-Gov said on March 12, 2016 :

    Looks like a pretty good build if you run with a healer and a tank. Even then I’d say you had better invest in stacks of soul gems.

    With 501 CPs, staying alive isn’t very hard – even at 16k HP. If you’re having trouble, swap one Arcane Willpower ring/neck for a healthy one

    In a perfect world where tanks and healers are needed for the content being played the build is superb. It’s unfortunate that ESO PvE doesn’t embrace support roles as they are not needed outside of Trials. It’s not so much a L2P issue as it’s a L2D (lrn2dev) issue with the current PvE content.

    I applaud you for helping the community by sharing this build but I’d say it’s out of reach for the majority people looking to DPS as a DK. Perhaps you could elaborate on what skills you use when a tank and/or a healer isn’t present? I’d say that would benefit the majority of people reading this thread. I’m not trying to pick on you, I really do enjoy coming here and reading about various builds. I just wouldn’t suggest using a build like this if you’re going to pug a daily as you will likely spend a lot of time in the death recap screen.

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    Anti-Gov said on March 12, 2016 :

    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    With 501 CPs, staying alive isn’t very hard – even at 16k HP. If you’re having trouble, swap one Arcane Willpower ring/neck for a healthy one

    In a perfect world where tanks and healers are needed for the content being played the build is superb. It’s unfortunate that ESO PvE doesn’t embrace support roles as they are not needed outside of Trials. It’s not so much a L2P issue as it’s a L2D (lrn2dev) issue with the current PvE content.

    I applaud you for helping the community by sharing this build but I’d say it’s out of reach for the majority people looking to DPS as a DK. Perhaps you could elaborate on what skills you use when a tank and/or a healer isn’t present? I’d say that would benefit the majority of people reading this thread. I’m not trying to pick on you, I really do enjoy coming here and reading about various builds. I just wouldn’t suggest using a build like this if you’re going to pug a daily as you will likely spend a lot of time in the death recap screen.

    Of course! I welcome all kinds of constructive feedback. I can make a separate section for a more “toned down” version of the build, but honestly if you swap Kena with Valkyn Skoria and use 1 Healthy ring of Willpower, you’re golden. Sustain will be improved by Skoria regardless, but you can swap Proxy on your main bar for Ele Drain if you’re still struggling and your healer/tank is reluctant to support.

    This build was aimed more at the raiding community, but I’m here to help anyone playing a magicka DK.

    Thanks for the feedback! I’ll make a section for it tomorrow :D

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    Anti-Gov said on March 12, 2016 :

    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    With 501 CPs, staying alive isn’t very hard – even at 16k HP. If you’re having trouble, swap one Arcane Willpower ring/neck for a healthy one

    In a perfect world where tanks and healers are needed for the content being played the build is superb. It’s unfortunate that ESO PvE doesn’t embrace support roles as they are not needed outside of Trials. It’s not so much a L2P issue as it’s a L2D (lrn2dev) issue with the current PvE content.

    I applaud you for helping the community by sharing this build but I’d say it’s out of reach for the majority people looking to DPS as a DK. Perhaps you could elaborate on what skills you use when a tank and/or a healer isn’t present? I’d say that would benefit the majority of people reading this thread. I’m not trying to pick on you, I really do enjoy coming here and reading about various builds. I just wouldn’t suggest using a build like this if you’re going to pug a daily as you will likely spend a lot of time in the death recap screen.

    Actually he wouldn’t need to change any skills since he can recast burning embers and get a 10k heal from it…every class has a ton of mitigation and self heals for the oh shit moments, btw loving the more realistic ESO model where each person has a lot more responsibility on them instead of the same old boring trinity.

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    Nosferatuzod said on March 12, 2016 :

    Anti-Gov said on March 12, 2016 :

    In a perfect world where tanks and healers are needed for the content being played the build is superb. It’s unfortunate that ESO PvE doesn’t embrace support roles as they are not needed outside of Trials. It’s not so much a L2P issue as it’s a L2D (lrn2dev) issue with the current PvE content.

    I applaud you for helping the community by sharing this build but I’d say it’s out of reach for the majority people looking to DPS as a DK. Perhaps you could elaborate on what skills you use when a tank and/or a healer isn’t present? I’d say that would benefit the majority of people reading this thread. I’m not trying to pick on you, I really do enjoy coming here and reading about various builds. I just wouldn’t suggest using a build like this if you’re going to pug a daily as you will likely spend a lot of time in the death recap screen.

    Actually he wouldn’t need to change any skills since he can recast burning embers and get a 10k heal from it…every class has a ton of mitigation and self heals for the oh shit moments, btw loving the more realistic ESO model where each person has a lot more responsibility on them instead of the same old boring trinity.

    Very true! However, 16k HP doesn’t sit right with most people. I constantly get nagged at in PUGs because of my health. I get asked if I don’t have buff-food etc. If someone would feel more comfortable having more health, I would advise going for Valkyn and/or healthy rings/neck. Ele Drain suggestion was for if you have issues with sustain and healer isn’t supporting :)

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    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on March 12, 2016 :

    Actually he wouldn’t need to change any skills since he can recast burning embers and get a 10k heal from it…every class has a ton of mitigation and self heals for the oh shit moments, btw loving the more realistic ESO model where each person has a lot more responsibility on them instead of the same old boring trinity.

    Very true! However, 16k HP doesn’t sit right with most people. I constantly get nagged at in PUGs because of my health. I get asked if I don’t have buff-food etc. If someone would feel more comfortable having more health, I would advise going for Valkyn and/or healthy rings/neck. Ele Drain suggestion was for if you have issues with sustain and healer isn’t supporting

    Yeah…question why no dual wield on AoE bar?

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    Nosferatuzod said on March 12, 2016 :

    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    Very true! However, 16k HP doesn’t sit right with most people. I constantly get nagged at in PUGs because of my health. I get asked if I don’t have buff-food etc. If someone would feel more comfortable having more health, I would advise going for Valkyn and/or healthy rings/neck. Ele Drain suggestion was for if you have issues with sustain and healer isn’t supporting

    Yeah…question why no dual wield on AoE bar?

    I saw @benawaw89 suggesting it in his Magicka DK Meta thread, but I don’t believe it’s more beneficial… With the way I have my bars set up, I weave alot on the off-bar aswell. Couple that with the fact that my testing didn’t convince me that DW + Talons is better than Ele Ring spam.

    In my testing I just didn’t find a DW off-bar to be beneficial for my playstyle and as such chose to leave it out. I’m not shunning off using it permanently, but as of now it’s not worth it in my mind.

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    Nosferatuzod

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    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on March 12, 2016 :

    Yeah…question why no dual wield on AoE bar?

    I saw @benawaw89 suggesting it in his Magicka DK Meta thread, but I don’t believe it’s more beneficial… With the way I have my bars set up, I weave alot on the off-bar aswell. Couple that with the fact that my testing didn’t convince me that DW + Talons is better than Ele Ring spam.

    In my testing I just didn’t find a DW off-bar to be beneficial for my playstyle and as such chose to leave it out. I’m not shunning off using it permanently, but as of now it’s not worth it in my mind.

    I gotcha:)

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    VosTelvannis

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    Dunmer Sorcerer

    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on March 12, 2016 :

    Yeah…question why no dual wield on AoE bar?

    I saw @benawaw89 suggesting it in his Magicka DK Meta thread, but I don’t believe it’s more beneficial… With the way I have my bars set up, I weave alot on the off-bar aswell. Couple that with the fact that my testing didn’t convince me that DW + Talons is better than Ele Ring spam.

    In my testing I just didn’t find a DW off-bar to be beneficial for my playstyle and as such chose to leave it out. I’m not shunning off using it permanently, but as of now it’s not worth it in my mind.

    I agree with you, until i see parses showing that dw on back bar is better i am not going to believe it, maybe for the gauntlets but for any of the bosses i still think dual destro is better. I have better parses on my magicka nb on the first and second boss using dual destro than i do with dw backbar. Because having a dw backbar would assume that you just stand there casting aoes whenever adds come up but i think thats extremely ineffecient

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    pretzl

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    Dunmer Dragonknight

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    VosTelvannis said on March 12, 2016 :

    pretzl said on March 12, 2016 :

    I saw @benawaw89 suggesting it in his Magicka DK Meta thread, but I don’t believe it’s more beneficial… With the way I have my bars set up, I weave alot on the off-bar aswell. Couple that with the fact that my testing didn’t convince me that DW + Talons is better than Ele Ring spam.

    In my testing I just didn’t find a DW off-bar to be beneficial for my playstyle and as such chose to leave it out. I’m not shunning off using it permanently, but as of now it’s not worth it in my mind.

    I agree with you, until i see parses showing that dw on back bar is better i am not going to believe it, maybe for the gauntlets but for any of the bosses i still think dual destro is better. I have better parses on my magicka nb on the first and second boss using dual destro than i do with dw backbar. Because having a dw backbar would assume that you just stand there casting aoes whenever adds come up but i think thats extremely ineffecient

    Couldn’t agree more. Atm I can’t see how a DW backbar would be beneficial at all in any circumstance really. You need that weaving power, imo. And Elemental Blockade + Ele Ring = OP

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