Nos's "Poison Knight" StamDK Build (Horns of the Reach DLC Ready)

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    Matt68700

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    Well, so I tested the 3 options with my orc (yeah, I know…) stam DK, and the result is not what you expected ^^

     

    My setup was 2 velidreth, 5 twice fanged snake (jewels + 2 armor) and 5 hunding (3 armor + 2 sharpened daggers)

    I took 5 hunding over 5 VO because I only have 1 sharpened dagger and 1 sharpened axe of VO and the axe bleed proc is too random so I prefered to go with 2 daggers for accurate tests.

    All medium, 6 divine and 1 infused on the velidreth shoulder, thanks to worst rng ever in middle undaunted chest…

    I have 2 divine kragh medium but didn’t want to overpenetrate.

     

    My skill bars :
    venomous claw, trap, rending slash, deadly cloak, evil hunter, dawnbreaker

    poison injection, noxious breath, endless hail, evil hunter, molten armement, standard

     

    My rotation, pretty noobish I think, but I suck at light weave and anim cancel :

    poison injection, LA, noxious breath, LA, endless hail, bar swap

    HA, venomous claw, HA, trap, HA, rending slash, HA, deadly cloak, bar swap and go at first step again

    Refresh potion, ultimate when ready, and molten armement every 4 rotation

     

    I made 3 parses on 3 million HP dummy with each bow, with ulti ready at the begining each time.

    The results where :

     

    Golden hunding bow, sharpened, with gold desease enchant (daggers have poison and weapon damage glyphs)
    29400, 29900 and 30100 dps

     

    Golden master bow sharpened :

    30900, 31300 and 31400 dps

     

    Golden maelstrom bow in precise :

    32000, 31900 and 31700 dps

     

    So for me, the winner is

    precise maelstrom > sharp master > sharp hunding

    Maybe on someone with higher dps, results would be different ? Don’t know…

    With one infused dagger and kragh monster set, the precise maelstrom bow would probably have won with a bigger margin.

     

    Also quick tested purple sharp hunding versus purple 100% useless trait maelstrom bow (decisive or charged, can’t remember) and the hunding bow was just slightly better, but not much.

    So I guess that infused or nirn maelstrom bow are probably better than sharpened hunding too.

     

    And tested damage of skills on front bar, with master bow equiped. When poison injection is up, all damage ticks, even on front bar, were boosted by around 5 or 6%

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    DurLagDT

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    Good day, guys.

    Tested Infused and Precise Master Bow on backbar and dw skills on frontbar. All of them got boosted by “poison arrow”.

    Tested TBS versus hundings  (6 divine + 1 infused) medium armor.

    Damage on the most abilities (even crit dmg) is better on hundings setup. It can be mathematicaly aproved, but I’m a bit tired for looking for the “crit-point” of crit-dmg modifier.

    p.s. sorry for bad English, Russian is my native.

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    Nosferatuzod

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    Matt68700 said on June 6, 2017 :

    Well, so I tested the 3 options with my orc (yeah, I know…) stam DK, and the result is not what you expected ^^

    My setup was 2 velidreth, 5 twice fanged snake (jewels + 2 armor) and 5 hunding (3 armor + 2 sharpened daggers)

    I took 5 hunding over 5 VO because I only have 1 sharpened dagger and 1 sharpened axe of VO and the axe bleed proc is too random so I prefered to go with 2 daggers for accurate tests.

    All medium, 6 divine and 1 infused on the velidreth shoulder, thanks to worst rng ever in middle undaunted chest…

    I have 2 divine kragh medium but didn’t want to overpenetrate.

    My skill bars :
    venomous claw, trap, rending slash, deadly cloak, evil hunter, dawnbreaker

    poison injection, noxious breath, endless hail, evil hunter, molten armement, standard

    My rotation, pretty noobish I think, but I suck at light weave and anim cancel :

    poison injection, LA, noxious breath, LA, endless hail, bar swap

    HA, venomous claw, HA, trap, HA, rending slash, HA, deadly cloak, bar swap and go at first step again

    Refresh potion, ultimate when ready, and molten armementevery 4 rotation

    Imade 3 parses on 3 million HP dummy with each bow, with ulti ready at the begining each time.

    The results where :

    Golden hunding bow, sharpened, with gold desease enchant (daggers have poison and weapon damage glyphs)
    29400, 29900 and 30100 dps

    Golden master bow sharpened :

    30900, 31300 and 31400 dps

    Golden maelstrom bow in precise :

    32000, 31900 and 31700 dps

    So for me, the winner is

    precise maelstrom > sharp master > sharp hunding

    Maybe on someone with higher dps, results would be different ? Don’t know…

    With one infused dagger and kragh monster set, the precise maelstrom bow would probably have won with a bigger margin.

    Also quick tested purple sharp hunding versus purple 100% useless trait maelstrom bow (decisive or charged, can’t remember) and the hunding bow was just slightly better, but not much.

    So I guess thatinfused or nirn maelstrom bow are probably better than sharpened hunding too.

    And tested damage of skills on front bar, with master bow equiped. When poison injection is up, all damage ticks, even on front bar, were boosted by around 5 or 6%

    Thats great news, means u can back bar vDSA bow

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    Nosferatuzod

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    DurLagDT said on June 6, 2017 :

    Good day, guys.

    Tested Infused and Precise Master Bow on backbar and dw skills on frontbar. All of them got boosted by “poison arrow”.

    Tested TBS versus hundings (6 divine + 1 infused) medium armor.

    Damage on the most abilities (even crit dmg) is better on hundings setup. It can be mathematicaly aproved, but I’m a bit tired for looking for the “crit-point” of crit-dmg modifier.

    p.s. sorry for bad English, Russian is my native.

    Thanks! or should i say spasibo bratan:)

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    Matt68700

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    Nosferatuzod said on June 6, 2017 :

       Thats great news, means u can back bar vDSA bow

    Yeah vDSA bow enchant benefits front bar damage too and a sharpened vDSA bow is a better option than a sharpened bow from the same set as your dual wield weapons (hunding, VO….)
    But even a precise vMA bow offers better dps… The vMA enchant is so powerful, endless hail did 20% of my total dps on my 3 parses with vMA bow

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    TheFirk

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    Any tips for getting VO 1 handers? Do normal or vet trials have different drop rates? Does a specific trial drop them more often?

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    Nosferatuzod

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    TheFirk said on June 8, 2017 :

    Any tips for getting VO 1 handers? Do normal or vet trials have different drop rates? Does a specific trial drop them more often?

    I just farm nSO for it

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    cenomx

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    2 axes are too big of a loss compared to 1 axe and 1 dagger?

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    TheFirk

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    Thanks, really love the build by the way. I’m pulling almost 38k with a non optimal gear set but the rotation is very smooth and fairly easy to master!

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    Nosferatuzod

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    cenomx said on June 8, 2017 :

    2 axes are too big of a loss compared to 1 axe and 1 dagger?

    Umm not huge, but noticable

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    Nosferatuzod

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    TheFirk said on June 8, 2017 :

    Thanks, really love the build by the way. I’m pulling almost 38k with a non optimal gear set but the rotation is very smooth and fairly easy to master!

    Glad you like it!

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    Kalimar42

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    Nosferatuzod said on June 8, 2017 :

    TheFirk said on June 8, 2017 :

    Any tips for getting VO 1 handers? Do normal or vet trials have different drop rates? Does a specific trial drop them more often?

    I just farm nSO for it

    I currently have 5 pieces of TFS armor in divines, but currently not using it. Why? Because at the moment I’m using 3 Spriggans armor with 2 Spriggan sharpen daggers. My other 5 piece set is 3 pieces of VO armor with VO jewelry. So I doing this to keep my VO at 5 pieces in till I can get VO sharpen daggers, I thought this was a good combo.

    For soloing this works really well. For group play I sometimes drop spriggans for night mother’s. It depends on the group.  I also use velidreth set atm. I do have Kra’gh set to in divines, but haven’t tried it out yet. I just got it. So is there anything you see I should change up? I’m a Stamina DK cp 630 with pretty much the same skills and rotation.

    Thank you.

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    Nosferatuzod said on June 8, 2017 :

    cenomx said on June 8, 2017 :

    2 axes are too big of a loss compared to 1 axe and 1 dagger?

    Umm not huge, but noticable

    Agreed, try out both for a few minutes. The difference can be surprising.

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    Nosferatuzod

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    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on June 8, 2017 :

    I just farm nSO for it

    I currently have 5 pieces of TFS armor in divines, but currently not using it. Why? Because at the moment I’m using 3 Spriggans armor with 2 Spriggan sharpen daggers. My other 5 piece set is 3 pieces of VO armor with VO jewelry. So I doing this to keep my VO at 5 pieces in till I can get VO sharpen daggers, I thought this was a good combo.

    For soloing this works really well. For group play I sometimes drop spriggans for night mother’s. It depends on the group. I also use velidreth set atm. I do have Kra’gh set to in divines, but haven’t tried it out yet. I just got it. So is there anything you see I should change up? I’m a Stamina DK cp 630 with pretty much the same skills and rotation.

    Thank you.

    The choice between sets ultimately boils down to penetration. Your current setup is around 1920 penetration short of the cap (provided the tanks has an infused crusher enchant) and this is without accounting for Alkosh. Swapping from Velidreth to VO will put you almost at cap and will give you superior ST damage. I would definitely switch things up though. I would drop VO until you can get the right weapons and go for TFS/Nightmothers. I would also wear Kragh with this setup. With all this penetration you could go Infused on the mainhand and precise on the offhand. Since its craftable it would be easy to procure. To run this you WILL need the TFS jewelry though. This setup will be slightly lower in damage than BiS but not by much.

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    Kalimar42

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    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    I currently have 5 pieces of TFS armor in divines, but currently not using it. Why? Because at the moment I’m using 3 Spriggans armor with 2 Spriggan sharpen daggers. My other 5 piece set is 3 pieces of VO armor with VO jewelry. So I doing this to keep my VO at 5 pieces in till I can get VO sharpen daggers, I thought this was a good combo.

    For soloing this works really well. For group play I sometimes drop spriggans for night mother’s. It depends on the group. I also use velidreth set atm. I do have Kra’gh set to in divines, but haven’t tried it out yet. I just got it. So is there anything you see I should change up? I’m a Stamina DK cp 630 with pretty much the same skills and rotation.

    Thank you.

    The choice between sets ultimately boils down to penetration. Your current setup is around 1920 penetration short of the cap (provided the tanks has an infused crusher enchant) and this is without accounting for Alkosh. Swapping from Velidreth to VO will put you almost at cap and will give you superior ST damage. I would definitely switch things up though. I would drop VO until you can get the right weapons and go for TFS/Nightmothers. I would also wear Kragh with this setup. With all this penetration you could go Infused on the mainhand and precise on the offhand. Since its craftable it would be easy to procure. To run this you WILL need the TFS jewelry though. This setup will be slightly lower in damage than BiS but not by much.

    I’m not farming TFS jewelry. It took my long enough to get my VO jewelry. I think with my crit chance at 75% with spriggans and VO m doing by just fine. I’ll run TFS with my VO when I get the VO daggers I want.

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    Nosferatuzod

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    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    The choice between sets ultimately boils down to penetration. Your current setup is around 1920 penetration short of the cap (provided the tanks has an infused crusher enchant) and this is without accounting for Alkosh. Swapping from Velidreth to VO will put you almost at cap and will give you superior ST damage. I would definitely switch things up though. I would drop VO until you can get the right weapons and go for TFS/Nightmothers. I would also wear Kragh with this setup. With all this penetration you could go Infused on the mainhand and precise on the offhand. Since its craftable it would be easy to procure. To run this you WILL need the TFS jewelry though. This setup will be slightly lower in damage than BiS but not by much.

    I’m not farming TFS jewelry. It took my long enough to get my VO jewelry. I think with my crit chance at 75% with spriggans and VO m doing by just fine. I’ll run TFS with my VO when I get the VO daggers I want.

    I mean you can run any sets, but the setup I gave you is the easiest to get since you get gold TFS jewelry from vSO so its extremely easy to get. So if you dont wanna farm for VO weapons which take forever, you can do 3 vSO (or less) and get the jewelry.

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    Kalimar42

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    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    I currently have 5 pieces of TFS armor in divines, but currently not using it. Why? Because at the moment I’m using 3 Spriggans armor with 2 Spriggan sharpen daggers. My other 5 piece set is 3 pieces of VO armor with VO jewelry. So I doing this to keep my VO at 5 pieces in till I can get VO sharpen daggers, I thought this was a good combo.

    For soloing this works really well. For group play I sometimes drop spriggans for night mother’s. It depends on the group. I also use velidreth set atm. I do have Kra’gh set to in divines, but haven’t tried it out yet. I just got it. So is there anything you see I should change up? I’m a Stamina DK cp 630 with pretty much the same skills and rotation.

    Thank you.

    The choice between sets ultimately boils down to penetration. Your current setup is around 1920 penetration short of the cap (provided the tanks has an infused crusher enchant) and this is without accounting for Alkosh. Swapping from Velidreth to VO will put you almost at cap and will give you superior ST damage. I would definitely switch things up though. I would drop VO until you can get the right weapons and go for TFS/Nightmothers. I would also wear Kragh with this setup. With all this penetration you could go Infused on the mainhand and precise on the offhand. Since its craftable it would be easy to procure. To run this you WILL need the TFS jewelry though. This setup will be slightly lower in damage than BiS but not by much.

    I’m not farming TFS jewelry. It took my long enough to get my VO jewelry. I think with my crit chance at 75% with spriggans and VO m doing by just fine. I’ll run TFS with my VO when I get the VO daggers I want.

    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    I’m not farming TFS jewelry. It took my long enough to get my VO jewelry. I think with my crit chance at 75% with spriggans and VO m doing by just fine. I’ll run TFS with my VO when I get the VO daggers I want.

    I mean you can run any sets, but the setup I gave you is the easiest to get since you get gold TFS jewelry from vSO so its extremely easy to get. So if you dont wanna farm for VO weapons which take forever, you can do 3 vSO (or less) and get the jewelry.

    But in the meanwhile don’t you think running spriggans and VO is a good set up for solo runs?

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    Kalimar42 said on June 14, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    The choice between sets ultimately boils down to penetration. Your current setup is around 1920 penetration short of the cap (provided the tanks has an infused crusher enchant) and this is without accounting for Alkosh. Swapping from Velidreth to VO will put you almost at cap and will give you superior ST damage. I would definitely switch things up though. I would drop VO until you can get the right weapons and go for TFS/Nightmothers. I would also wear Kragh with this setup. With all this penetration you could go Infused on the mainhand and precise on the offhand. Since its craftable it would be easy to procure. To run this you WILL need the TFS jewelry though. This setup will be slightly lower in damage than BiS but not by much.

    I’m not farming TFS jewelry. It took my long enough to get my VO jewelry. I think with my crit chance at 75% with spriggans and VO m doing by just fine. I’ll run TFS with my VO when I get the VO daggers I want.

    Nosferatuzod said on June 14, 2017 :

    I mean you can run any sets, but the setup I gave you is the easiest to get since you get gold TFS jewelry from vSO so its extremely easy to get. So if you dont wanna farm for VO weapons which take forever, you can do 3 vSO (or less) and get the jewelry.

    But in the meanwhile don’t you think running spriggans and VO is a good set up for solo runs?

    Sure, its definitely not horrible

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    Do you think it’s worthwhile to use molten over say noxious if I’m playing a khajit and typically heavy attack 2x on the dual wield bar just to sustain? What is your reasoning for only using one heavy attack with the availability of the sustain and damage it can offer?

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    ReXwithaT said on June 16, 2017 :

    Do you think it’s worthwhile to use molten over say noxious if I’m playing a khajit and typically heavy attack 2x on the dual wield bar just to sustain? What is your reasoning for only using one heavy attack with the availability of the sustain and damage it can offer?

    Noxious imho is better than Molten. You can do 2 heavies if you need it…all depends on the situation

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