Nos's "Molten Core" DK Build (HotR DLC ready)

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    Nosferatuzod

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    EDITS:

    08/23/2017 – Updated for HotR DLC

    08/24/2017 – Adjusted a mistake on bar setup.

    Special thanks to @Mrs.Sweets for ele draining the dummy for me for literal hours:)

    Race:

    Dunmer – the obvious choice for a DK.

    Attributes:

    All in Magicka

    Food:

    Health and Magicka

    Mundus:

    Lover/Apprentice

    Champion Point Distribution:

    Blue tree:

    Master at Arms 40, Elemental Expert 49, Elfborn 44, Thaumaturge 81, Staff Expert 6

    Red tree:

    Quick Recovery 7, Bastion 18, Elemental Defender 49, Hardy 49, Thick Skinned 31, Iron Clad 44, Spell Shield 22

    Green tree:

    Warlord 51, Basing Focus 16, Sprinter 6, Arcanist 56, Tenacity 49, Tumbling 11, Shadow Ward 31

    Gear:

    5 light/1 Medium/ 1 Heavy

    3  Moondancer Jewelry – Arcane with Spell Damage Enchants

    5  Burning Spellweave Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    2 Grothdar/Maw Divines Armor with Magicka Enchants

    1  Moondancer Charged Fire staff (Shock Enchant) (Front Bar)

    1  Infused vMA Inferno staff (Back Bar)

    Bar Setup:

    Main Bar (Fire Staff): Inner Light, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flame, Molten Armaments, Molten Whip (Flame Lash). Ultimate – Destro Ult

    Offbar (vMA Staff): Inner Light (Replace with Shield when needed), Eruption, Elemental Blockade, Rearming Trap, Flames of Oblivion. Ultimate – Standard of Might.

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    Rotation:

    Pre Rotation: Activate Molten Armaments

    Step 1: Fully Charged Heavy>Eruption>Light Weave>Flames of Oblivion>Light Weave>Rearming trap>Light weave>Standard of Might>Bar Swap

    Step 2: Light Weave>Engulfing Flame>Light Weave>Burning Embers>Bar Swap>Light Weave>Elemental Blockade>Barswap

    Step 3: (Molten Whip [Flame Lash]+ LA) x 5>Light Weave>Engulfing Flame>Light Weave>Burning Embers>Bar Swap>Light Weave>Elemental Blockade

    Step 4: Light Weave>Eruption>Light Weave>Flames of Oblivion>Light Weave>Rearming trap>Bar Swap>(Molten Whip [Flame Lash] + LA) x 2

    Repeat from Step 2, but when you get to Step 3 do 3 fully charged heavy attacks into a Molten Whip [Flame Lash].

     

    Rotation Video:

    Note I do not have an infused fire moondancer staff so I was using a non set in this parse.

    Reasoning:

    1. Why Moondancer?

    Seems to beat out Infal from my testing.

    2. Why Burning Spellweave?

    You can get very good uptime (62+%) AND get the increased burning procs which now deal a significant amount of damage.

    3. Why Grothdar/Maw?

    Grothdar has the highest single target/AoE damage out of all the sets available to a magDK outside of Maw, but maw cannot always be used effectively, so I interchange between them depending on what the fight calls for. Although Monster Sets no longer crit (Except for Maw), the % contribution to overall damage coming from Grothdar is still high enough to warrant its use.

    4. Why is vMA back bar and why is it Infused?

    Running vMA on the back bar allows you to benefit from the tremendous buff to weaves that it offers, whilst still taking advantage of the shock enchant procs off of an infused staff on the front bar. You can enchant the front bar with a fire enchant as well, but I run shock to aid the the group’s vulnerability uptime. Since you only spend a short time on your back bar, infused vMA makes the most sense since you want the buff to weave damage to be the highest it can be when on your front bar.

    5. Molten Whip or Power Lash?

    Personally i plan on using Molten Whip. with an abundance of stam DPS in groups now, it is vital to have the most off balance possible. A MagDK contributes greatly to off-balance drain by slotting Flame Lash and in my opinion in the grand scheme of things is not worth it.

    6. Why Lover or apprentice?

    With all the available buffs active Lover stone over penetrates the target by over 2.5k, during this Apprentice stone becomes a much better option to use. However it will all depend on the amount of penetration in your group. If your Alkosh and Crushing enchant are over 90% and you have power of the light at 80%+ then Apprentice is most certainly the better option.

    7. Charged Trait? WHY???

    Burning got buffed in damage significantly this patch and thus takes a significant portion of our dps. In addition Elemental blockade damage increase by 20% on burning targets. By maximizing the uptime of burning we dramatically increase our DPS. The damage of Charged front bar is about 2k more than Infused front bar with no raid buffs.

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    Asayre

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    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

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    Nosferatuzod

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    Yes I’ve been running calculations for a week for my stamplar, but I wanna make him unique – 2H front bar…not sure if it’s viable yet…if not, I’ll still be posting one…

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    Nosferatuzod

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    Asayre said on April 8, 2016 :

    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

    I’ve also been trying very hard to justify DW mainbar and realized that it is straight up impossible on a a DK who medium weaves. But may be possible if he only light attacks…have to test though…

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    pretzl

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    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

     

    Eager to see your parses!

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    Latin

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    Yes, skill choices for DK are quite limited.

    Well done on covering all the magicka class builds.

    e pluribus unum

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    Nosferatuzod

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    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

    Eager to see your parses!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

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    Flak

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    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

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    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

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    Canis-dingo

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    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my  NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

     

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    Canis-dingo said on April 8, 2016 :

    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

    Yes 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy

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    Nosferatuzod

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    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

    LA usually ranges between 6 and 7k (I’m an altmer…made this guy back at the start when I was a noob). Medium weaves average 10-11k. My average whip hits slightly less than 3 LA. I was able to do 4 LA during the span of one Whip. So you lose the damage equivalent of slightly more than one LA every 4 seconds, but you gain 8%+ damage boost to all of your skills every second. That’s why I say it becomes competitive. However as I stated above if you medium weave it becomes almost impossible to ever justify DW since Medium weave is just too strong. As to what parses I used, Yolo posted a Rakhatt parse and this parse was one of many I used when looking at the viability of DW mainbar. Keep in mind you would still weave your back bar skills when you cast them, it’s the front bar you would no longer weave. Also staff backbar would still allow you to open with a fully charged heavy, which is amazing for short fight DPS boost.

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    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

    Not going to post any for a while since DW only offers a real benefit with 5 piece moondancer and I specifically need 3 jewelry 2 swords…until I get these items DW back bar on single target is a dps loss…this whole build is built around that set. Using DW backbar would only add dps in trash otherwise…

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    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

    The current meta is the same meta that has been around for the past year. From using this set on the pts I can see the benefits that it offers. You have to agree that if the set works the same way as it did on the pts it would be hard to pass up that extra 448 or 560 (buffed) spell damage. Since there is no reason to believe that they changed the set to only being able to proc once (why would they do that) it is safe to assume that it still works this way and thus will outperform staff/staff…however as I say above it is all theory at this point and I would NOT recommend people to do staff/DW  without this set as it is a dps loss…

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    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 11, 2016 :

    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

    Well the theory would be to use jewelery and dw on backbar so you can still use 5pc armor + 2pc monster set.

    But as you said I’m very sceptical about this set too as nobody tested how it works. For burst sure boosts dps as long as there is no cooldown on the proc. But for longer fights especially now how broken synergies are atm its probably not worth using.

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