Nos's Mixed Staff DK Build (Morrowind DLC ready)

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    Nosferatuzod

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    EDITS:

    05/23/2017 – Updated for Morrowind DLC

    This DK guide has been updated for Shadows of the Hist.

    Race:

    Dunmer – the obvious choice for a DK.

    Attributes:

    All in Magicka

    Food:

    Health and Magicka

    Mundus:

    Thief

    Champion Point Distribution:

    Blue tree:

    48 in Elemental Expert, 75 in Thaumaturge, 40 in Elfborn, 3 in Staff Expert, 44 in Master at Arms

    Red tree:

    Based on trial

    Green tree:

    Max Regen and Tenacity with extra points in Tumbling.

    Gear Choice (No vMA Destro) – Best in Slot

    5 light/1 Medium/ 1 Heavy

    3  Moondancer Jewelry – Arcane with Spell Damage Enchants

    4  Burning Spellweave Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    1 Moondancer Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    2 Grothdar Divines Armor with Magicka Enchants

    1  Moondancer Sharpened Lightning staff

    1  Sharpened Burning Spellweave Inferno staff

    Gear choice (vMA Destro Staff):

    5 light/1 Medium/ 1 Heavy

    3 Moondancer Jewelry – Arcane with Spell Damage Enchants

    5  Burning Spellweave Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    2 Grothdar Divines Armor with Magicka Enchants

    1  Sharpened Moondancer Lightning staff Spell damage Enchant

    1  Sharpened Maelstrom Inferno staff

    Bar Setup:

    Main Bar (Fire Staff): Inner Light, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flame, Elemental Blockade, Flame Lash. Ultimate – Shooting Star

    Offbar (Lightning Staff): Inner Light (Replace with Shield when needed), Eruption, Molten Armaments, Rearming Trap, Flames of Oblivion. Ultimate – Standard of Might.

    Rotation:

    Step 1 (Inferno Staff): Fully Charged Heavy Attack>Engulfing>LA>Burning Embers>LA>Elemental Blockade>Bar Swap

    Step 2: Eruption>Light Weave>Flames of Oblivion>Light Weave>Rearming trap>Light weave>Standard of Might>Bar Swap

    Step 3: (Flame Lash+ LA) x 2>Engulfing Flame>Light Weave>Burning Embers>Light weave>Elemental Blockade>Light Weave

    Step 3: (Whip>Light Weave) x 5

    Repeat from Step 1 without heavy attack.

    For AOE, apply Eruption, Engulfing Flame and Elemental Blockade and use fully charged heavy attack on the lightning staff bar. Makes sure that Elemental blockade is down and that you slotted and activated Molten Armaments.

    This setup allows high and free AoE damage and seemingly unlimited sustain.

    Reasoning:

    1. Why Moondancer?

    Easy to proc on the back bar whilst weaving DoTs, and adds a huge regen/spell damage proc. Cant go wrong with that.

    2. Why Burning Spellweave?

    Although it has been nerfed in the Morrowind DLC, the set still works amazingly for DK’s due to their high uptime of fire damage. Silks of the Sun is anotherr option, but the the burning effect of the set truly makes it outclass Silks.

    3. Why Grothdar?

    Grothdar has the highest single target/AoE damage out of all the sets available to a magDK. Although Monster Sets no longer crit, the % contribution to overall damage coming from Grothdar is still high enough to warrant its use.

    4. Why is No-vMA BiS?

    The NO-vMA setup allows you to run two 5 piece bonuses (Moondancer AND BSW) to get the most out of both. It is absolutely BiS because while the vMA destro buffs your weaves, Moondancer buffs all of your skills.

    5. Why Powerlash?

    Power Lash although consuming off-balance is a wonderful tool. It hits around 25% harder than whip and cossts zero magicka. This means that if we keep my enemy off-balance I will do a whole lot more damage. The main contribution of this skill is of course its contribution to improving sustain. Being free to cast it is often hard to break 80% max magicka with this setup.

    Parses:

    http://imgur.com/a/8Zh4A

    http://imgur.com/a/filtI

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    Asayre

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    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

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    Yes I’ve been running calculations for a week for my stamplar, but I wanna make him unique – 2H front bar…not sure if it’s viable yet…if not, I’ll still be posting one…

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    Asayre said on April 8, 2016 :

    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

    I’ve also been trying very hard to justify DW mainbar and realized that it is straight up impossible on a a DK who medium weaves. But may be possible if he only light attacks…have to test though…

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    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

     

    Eager to see your parses!

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    Latin

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    Yes, skill choices for DK are quite limited.

    Well done on covering all the magicka class builds.

    e pluribus unum

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    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

    Eager to see your parses!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

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    Flak

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    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

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    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

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    Canis-dingo

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    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my  NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

     

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    Canis-dingo said on April 8, 2016 :

    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

    Yes 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy

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    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

    LA usually ranges between 6 and 7k (I’m an altmer…made this guy back at the start when I was a noob). Medium weaves average 10-11k. My average whip hits slightly less than 3 LA. I was able to do 4 LA during the span of one Whip. So you lose the damage equivalent of slightly more than one LA every 4 seconds, but you gain 8%+ damage boost to all of your skills every second. That’s why I say it becomes competitive. However as I stated above if you medium weave it becomes almost impossible to ever justify DW since Medium weave is just too strong. As to what parses I used, Yolo posted a Rakhatt parse and this parse was one of many I used when looking at the viability of DW mainbar. Keep in mind you would still weave your back bar skills when you cast them, it’s the front bar you would no longer weave. Also staff backbar would still allow you to open with a fully charged heavy, which is amazing for short fight DPS boost.

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    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

    Not going to post any for a while since DW only offers a real benefit with 5 piece moondancer and I specifically need 3 jewelry 2 swords…until I get these items DW back bar on single target is a dps loss…this whole build is built around that set. Using DW backbar would only add dps in trash otherwise…

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    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

    The current meta is the same meta that has been around for the past year. From using this set on the pts I can see the benefits that it offers. You have to agree that if the set works the same way as it did on the pts it would be hard to pass up that extra 448 or 560 (buffed) spell damage. Since there is no reason to believe that they changed the set to only being able to proc once (why would they do that) it is safe to assume that it still works this way and thus will outperform staff/staff…however as I say above it is all theory at this point and I would NOT recommend people to do staff/DW  without this set as it is a dps loss…

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    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 11, 2016 :

    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

    Well the theory would be to use jewelery and dw on backbar so you can still use 5pc armor + 2pc monster set.

    But as you said I’m very sceptical about this set too as nobody tested how it works. For burst sure boosts dps as long as there is no cooldown on the proc. But for longer fights especially now how broken synergies are atm its probably not worth using.

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