Nos's Mixed Staff DK Build (Update 12 ready)

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    Nosferatuzod

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    EDITS:

    06/20/2016 – Updated with a minor gear change

    7/26/2016 – Updated of Shadows of the Hist

    9/27/2016 – Updated for Update 12

    10/16/2016 – Updated with an amazing NO VMA setup courtesy of @Hans4n6

    This DK guide has been updated for Shadows of the Hist.

    Race:

    Dunmer – with the changes to Dunmer introduced in Shadows of the Hist, it now severely outperforms Altmer, making it a contest for a racial choice.

    Attributes:

    All in Magicka

    Food:

    Health and Magicka

    Mundus:

    Thief

    Champion Point Distribution:

    Blue tree:

    100 in Elemental Expert, 44 in Thaumaturge, 42 in Elfborn and 1 in Staff Expert.

    Red tree:

    Points evenly across Hardy, Thick Skinned and Elemental Defender

    Green tree:

    100 into reduced cost, the rest into regen.

    Gear Choice (No vMA Destro)

    5 light/1 Medium/ 1 Heavy

    3 Infallible Aether or Moondancer Jewelry – Arcane with Spell Damage Enchants

    4  Burning Spellweave Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    1 Infallible Aether or Moondancer Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    2 Grothdar Divines Armor with Magicka Enchants

    1  Sharpened Infallible Aether or Moondancer Lightning staff

    1  Sharpened Burning Spellweave Inferno staff

    Gear choice (vMA Destro Staff):

    5 light/1 Medium/ 1 Heavy

    3 Infallible Aether Jewelry – Arcane with Spell Damage Enchants

    5  Burning Spellweave Armor Divines with Magicka Enchants

    2 Grothdar Divines Armor with Magicka Enchants

    1  Sharpened Infallible Aether Lightning staff Spell damage Enchant

    1  Sharpened Maelstrom Inferno staff Spell Damage Enchant

    Bar Setup(With vMA):

    Main Bar: Inner Light, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flame, Elemental Blockade, Molten Whip. Ultimate – Shooting Star

    Offbar: Inner Light, Eruption, Molten Armaments, Rearming Trap, Flames of Oblivion. Ultimate – Standard of Might.

    Rotation:

    Activate Molten Armaments

    Step 1 (Inferno Staff): Fully Charged Heavy Attack>Bar Swap

    Step 2: Eruption>Rearming trap>Flames of Oblivion>Standard of Might>Bar Swap

    Step 3: Engulfing Flame>Medium Weave>Burning Embers>Medium weave>Elemental Blockade>Medium Weave

    Step 3: (Whip>Medium Weave) x 5

    Step 4: Engulfing Flame>Medium Weave>Burning Embers>Medium weave>Elemental Blockade>Medium Weave>(Whip+Medium Weave) x 2>Bar Swap

    Restart at Step 2.

    For AOE, apply Eruption and Elemental Blockade and use fully charged heavy attack on the lightning staff bar. Makes sure that Elemental blockade is down and that Molten Armaments are up.

    This setup allows high and free AoE damage and seemingly unlimited sustain.

    Reasoning:

    1. Why Infallible Aether?

    - Infallible is getting buffed in the Dark Brotherhood update. It is an amazing set for 2 reasons. #1 It provides the Vulnerability debuff to the target that is being heavy attacked. #2 It adds damage to each fully charged heavy attack. At first glance, it seems like a lackluster buff, but at closer examination I found  that it buffs every tick of a channeled lightning heavy attack thus adding quite a bit of damage to each tick. Oh and don’t forget the 5% Minor Slayer and Increased Crit Chance on top of all these goodies! as of Shadows of the Hist update Minor Slayer buffs applies to trash mobs as well.

    2. Whats with the lightning staff on the back bar?

    - A few reasons:

    A) Each channeled tick is buffed by the vMA lightning staff.

    B) DK’s have a 40% buff to staff attacks which synergizes with Lightning staff channel.

    C) Each channeled lightning staff heavy attack spreads to nearby targets and hits them for a ton of damage, which scales with Thaumaturge and Elemental expert. The radius is around the same as from elemental ring, except unlike elemental ring, you can do it from range AND it costs 0 magicka. Have you ever run out of magicka while spamming elemental ring in trash pulls or second boss of vMoL? Leave those negative moments in the past. The AoE damage is insane.

    D) Lightning Staff is lightning damage, staff damage and DoT damage. This means that it takes advantage of 3 CP stars and thus draws on more sources of DPS buffs. This makes its full DPS potential to be off the charts. The automatic AoE is nice because each additional add automatically  doubles your DPS.

    3. Why not elegance?

    The percentage contribution from weaves to your overall damage does not warrant the use of Elegance.

    4. Why Burning Spellweave?

    It has been updated in this very last update and is an absolute must for MagDks. High spell damage, and an additional burning effect which synergizes well with elemental blockade make this set truly shine above TBS.

    5. Why Grothdar?

    Grothdar has the highest single target/AoE damage out of all the sets available to a magDK. Even Skoria stands no match.

    6. Why Aether Staff on the back bar?

    The vMA enchant carrries over to the back bar as long as the elemental blockade was applied on the vMA staff bar. On the offbar we gain 348 spell damage from the enchant (for 5/10 seconds) and the 129 spell damage from the Infallible Aether 4 piece bonus, which gives us an additional 114 spell damage over a vMA staff back bar.

    7. The NO-vMA setup allows you to run two 5 piece bonuses (Aether/Moondancer AND BSW) to get the most out of both. It is absolutely BiS if you dont have a vMA sharpened inferno. It can also be better than the vMA setup 100% of the time if you run moondancer/BSW and situationally if you run Infal, since you provide the group with Minor Vulnerability.

    Parses:

    http://imgur.com/a/QCwlP

    http://imgur.com/a/vgNcr

    Unbuffed Bloodspawn:

    http://imgur.com/a/h6kYY

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    Asayre

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    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

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    Yes I’ve been running calculations for a week for my stamplar, but I wanna make him unique – 2H front bar…not sure if it’s viable yet…if not, I’ll still be posting one…

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    Asayre said on April 8, 2016 :

    Wow you’re got a guide for every magicka class. Are you going to start branching out into the stam builds as well?

    I’ve also been trying very hard to justify DW mainbar and realized that it is straight up impossible on a a DK who medium weaves. But may be possible if he only light attacks…have to test though…

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    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

     

    Eager to see your parses!

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    Yes, skill choices for DK are quite limited.

    Well done on covering all the magicka class builds.

    e pluribus unum

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    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    I do have to disagree on skoria + medi weaving outperforming kena + light as I tested this extensively. I’ll be running DW backbar in vMoL aswell, but I can tell you right now that DW mainbar isn’t even worth testing. It adds absolutely nothing as weaving is far too important. Weaving DW is harder and hits like a wer noodle.

    Eager to see your parses!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

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    Flak

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    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

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    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

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    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    pretzl said on April 8, 2016 :

    Very, very interesting!

    Here was my whole rationale for even considering DW main bar:

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my  NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    Flak said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nice guide, I run very similar skills, just using Proxy Det instead of Talons. I highly doubt that Skoria outparses Kena, the chance increase is not really important since it still has a cooldown. Sure, Kena is not very effective if you are not using light attacks, I only use them to proc it, then switch to MA.

    Yeah for a magicka DK unfortunately all builds will be pretty similar since most skills are mandatory and only trap is optional…

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

     

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    Canis-dingo said on April 8, 2016 :

    Do you wear mostly light armor, with 1 medium, and 1 heavy?

    Yes 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy

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    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    1. In your parse LA amounts to only around 6% of your dps. DW mainbar with the setup I am thinking of would by itself give you 8% more. When you factor in the additional damage from the extra whips you would be able to cast (I managed 4 LA weaves in the time it takes to do 1 whip, but I guess up to 6 is possible). You net a significant boost to DPS. DW mainbar becomes more difficult to justify when the LA or MA dps percentage contribution goes above 12%. I will have to prove this of course and I’m planning on trying, but my priority atm is to get some good parses for my NB. After this I will commit fully to my DK.

    P.S: Just to clarify if trying DW mainbar you would not be weaving on your front bar, only on back bar. You would utilize the extra time saved from not weaving to cast whips.

    Well I wouldn´t use that Mage parse as those LA´s are not possible to be with Maelstrom Inferno Staff. I can only use my NB parses for LA damage as I dont have screenshots of my DK with Kena atm. But there should be no difference in LA damage.

    So my average LA damage is around 7-7.5k and if I look a my or pretzls Whip parses they are between 15-18k. So if you say you can get 4-6 LA´s in 1 whip. So and extra whip without LA weaving is actually a DPS loss.

     

    xBlackroxe said on April 8, 2016 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 8, 2016 :

    The best way to utilize Kena is to of course do the switch as you say, but since the buff length is only 6 seconds you will only be able to get 3-4 MA before you have to light weave again. So a large proportion of your medium weaves is lost. Medium weaves are not just slightly stronger than light weaves, the way I charge them they do double the light weave damage and thus their loss is significant. But ultimately you can always run this set up with Kena instead of Skoria and get all of the buffs:)

    What´s your normal LA and MA damage? Mine only go from 7-7.5k to 9.5-10k So the increase is not that extreme for me as you say.

    LA usually ranges between 6 and 7k (I’m an altmer…made this guy back at the start when I was a noob). Medium weaves average 10-11k. My average whip hits slightly less than 3 LA. I was able to do 4 LA during the span of one Whip. So you lose the damage equivalent of slightly more than one LA every 4 seconds, but you gain 8%+ damage boost to all of your skills every second. That’s why I say it becomes competitive. However as I stated above if you medium weave it becomes almost impossible to ever justify DW since Medium weave is just too strong. As to what parses I used, Yolo posted a Rakhatt parse and this parse was one of many I used when looking at the viability of DW mainbar. Keep in mind you would still weave your back bar skills when you cast them, it’s the front bar you would no longer weave. Also staff backbar would still allow you to open with a fully charged heavy, which is amazing for short fight DPS boost.

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    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    You got some parses already with your DW off bar?

    Not going to post any for a while since DW only offers a real benefit with 5 piece moondancer and I specifically need 3 jewelry 2 swords…until I get these items DW back bar on single target is a dps loss…this whole build is built around that set. Using DW backbar would only add dps in trash otherwise…

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    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

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    AlfonsoV said on April 10, 2016 :

    So you claim this theory will out nr the current meta based on..?

    Cause we all know tests on Pts might slightly differ from tests on live. Cause I yet have to see how this 5th piece synergy will work out in the end

    The current meta is the same meta that has been around for the past year. From using this set on the pts I can see the benefits that it offers. You have to agree that if the set works the same way as it did on the pts it would be hard to pass up that extra 448 or 560 (buffed) spell damage. Since there is no reason to believe that they changed the set to only being able to proc once (why would they do that) it is safe to assume that it still works this way and thus will outperform staff/staff…however as I say above it is all theory at this point and I would NOT recommend people to do staff/DW  without this set as it is a dps loss…

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    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

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    AlfonsoV said on April 11, 2016 :

    Yeah, that’s kinda the thing, I just see a lot of theory and nothing to “back it up”. And that leads me directly to my point. Cause in theory, there’s also a chance you pick up the “regen synergy” a couple of times in a row.

    And how is this set compared to scathing on a DK?

    Well the theory would be to use jewelery and dw on backbar so you can still use 5pc armor + 2pc monster set.

    But as you said I’m very sceptical about this set too as nobody tested how it works. For burst sure boosts dps as long as there is no cooldown on the proc. But for longer fights especially now how broken synergies are atm its probably not worth using.

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