Magicka sorcerer considerations for Morrowind

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    Aumann

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    Staff mastery is new, you pretty much apply dots and heavy attack. It seems to me as if it would be a big portion.

    But as i said i didn’t test it yet myself, so i won’t make predictions based on air.

    It’s very possible moondancer is stronger though, our theorycrafters have been tasting that for a while now even outside of heavy attack builds and it shows promise.

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    FrancisCrawford

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    And now Frags is getting nerfed, it seems, per ESO live.

    There seems to be some confusion about what was said, but most likely procs are going down from 120% of base value to 110%.

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    Aumann

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    Yeah sorcs need a nerf to be honest.

    Anyway seems that bis will be either: Necro + moondancer, Moondancer + elegant or necro + elegant. Reason why people are choosing elegant right now is becauise its easy to get on PTS.

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    Aumann said on April 29, 2017 :

    Yeah sorcs need a nerf to be honest.

    Anyway seems that bis will be either: Necro + moondancer, Moondancer + elegant or necro + elegant. Reason why people are choosing elegant right now is becauise its easy to get on PTS.

    Do you have thoughts as to how necro + elegant would work? I’d prefer my lightning staff to be elegant, to buff my AoE heavy attacks. I’d prefer my inferno staff to be elegant as well, to buff my single-target heavy attacks.

    (And by the way, I already have a sharpened Necro lightning staff, but the same isn’t true for inferno.)

    Another possibility is to go lightning/lightning and just abandon the benefits of inferno (in which case it’s Grothdarr (?) over LLambris?). That might make the most sense in a rotation with no spammable skills (using lightning channels to fill time, which of course don’t cost magicka even when they’re not held long enough to gain magicka back). And “no spammable skill” probably also means “no (mildly nerfed) Frags” as well.

     

    That kind of thing might fit particularly well with a build that squeezes in some utility skills. E.g., some 10 of the following 12 choices:

    • Volatile Familiar (both bars, with the special power cast from the Necro bar)
    • Healing Matriarch (both bars, with the special power cast from the Necro bar)
    • Daedric Prey (Necro bar)
    • Endless Fury/Mages Wrath (Necro bar)
    • Elemental Blockade (either bar)
    • Liquid Lightning (either bar)
    • Empowered Ward (Necro bar)
    • Orb (Necro bar)
    • Power Surge (either bar)
    • Elemental Drain (either bar)

     

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    ginjaninjaah

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    Maybe a noob question here but doesn’t elegant boost light attacks 33% after 2 consecutive light attacks?. Or has something changed?

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    ginjaninjaah said on April 30, 2017 :

    Maybe a noob question here but doesn’t elegant boost light attacks 33% after 2 consecutive light attacks?. Or has something changed?

    Perhaps you’re confusing it with the Molag Kena monster set?

    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sets is a good source as to which sets do what.

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    Aumann said on April 26, 2017 :

    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up+

     

    Is there a link somewhere to this? I’ve been trying to improve my magsorc’s numbers but can’t seem to get past 28k. I know you said this from a pts toon but I’m still interested in seeing this in action.

     

    I do agree though. This whole being forced to heavy attack so often is bound to get tedious fast once it goes live if they don’t revert some of these sustain nerfs.

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    You bar setup would be all passive skills and dots.

    1: Daedric prey, inner light, familiar, flying pet, aegis, shooting star.

    2: Blockade, LL, familiar, flying pet, aegis, destro ult.

     

    Lexifer452 said on April 30, 2017 :

    Aumann said on April 26, 2017 :

    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up+

    Is there a link somewhere to this? I’ve been trying to improve my magsorc’s numbers but can’t seem to get past 28k. I know you said this from a pts toon but I’m still interested in seeing this in action.

    I do agree though. This whole being forced to heavy attack so oftenis bound to gettedious fastonce it goes live if they don’t revert some of these sustain nerfs.

    Nop, don’t think images are authorised yet.

    And i’ll tell you, out of experience: everyone who gets stuck at 28k dps does weaving wrong in some way. It’s what i see everyday eith our trainers and its what held back my dps when i started out.

    Either you: don’t animation cancel fast enough, miss too many Light attacks, don’t weave when applying dots, over or undercast spells.

    Make sure you have a clear count of your rotation without looking at cooldoen timers too much. for example i know that when i base my rotation on blockade i have time for 3 pulse weaves before reapplying dots + pet.

    Look at your combat metrics screen at the end. With VMA staff your light attacks can add up to 4k dps. Without it you should be around 2.5 i think (but dont quote me on that).

    If you do a test on dummy, i believe somewhere around 77 light attacks is the amount of light attacks you aim for.

    these are ways to check hoe good your weaving and timing are

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    • Can Maw of the Infernal proc on any tick of a channeled heavy attack?
    • What is the attack speed of the summoned Daedroth?
    • Is its damage buffed by Daedric Prey?

    Are the answers any different for Shadowrend?

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    Aumann

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    Yes, no clue and yes.

    What i do know is that it’s not worth. IF we use a monster set, it’ll be Ilambri probably. Not sure we will use one though.

    But Maw is not worth.

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    Aumann said on May 1, 2017 :

    You bar setup would be all passive skills and dots.

    1: Daedric prey, inner light, familiar, flying pet, aegis, shooting star.

    2: Blockade, LL, familiar, flying pet, aegis, destro ult.

    Lexifer452 said on April 30, 2017 :

    Is there a link somewhere to this? I’ve been trying to improve my magsorc’s numbers but can’t seem to get past 28k. I know you said this from a pts toon but I’m still interested in seeing this in action.

    I do agree though. This whole being forced to heavy attack so oftenis bound to gettedious fastonce it goes live if they don’t revert some of these sustain nerfs.

    Nop, don’t think images are authorised yet.

    And i’ll tell you, out of experience: everyone who gets stuck at 28k dps does weaving wrong in some way. It’s what i see everyday eith our trainers and its what held back my dps when i started out.

    Either you: don’t animation cancel fast enough, miss too many Light attacks, don’t weave when applying dots, over or undercast spells.

    Make sure you have a clear count of your rotation without looking at cooldoen timers too much. for example i know that when i base my rotation on blockade i have time for 3 pulse weaves before reapplying dots + pet.

    Look at your combat metrics screen at the end. With VMA staff your light attacks can add up to 4k dps. Without it you should be around 2.5 i think (but dont quote me on that).

    If you do a test on dummy, i believe somewhere around 77 light attacks is the amount of light attacks you aim for.

    these are ways to check hoe good your weaving and timing are

     

     

     

    Thanks a bunch. I have since found that my rotation was a little sloppy and that is what was holding me back so spot on assessment man. Lol. Unfortunately I play on Xbox so no addons available. Just a solitary and lonely-looking dps score in the text chat. What I would give for some more detailed information. I’m working on cleaning up my rotation though. Finally got it down, to a extent. Still overcasting sometimes. Usually do it with surge and elemental drain, ie. skills with durations over ten seconds. I end up barswapping too soon and screwing up my rhythm. Working on refining that. Should bring my numbers up once I get it down pat. Bad habits that need breaking, I guess.

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    FrancisCrawford

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    Has anybody quantified/estimated how much time it takes to get in or out of Overload? I’d love to get in and out of Overload on a planned-rotation basis, but it seems to take quite a bit of time to do so.

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    Aumann

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    Don’t know, but it won’t be used anyway probably. Heavy attack pet builds still king, until the 25% pet nerf hits, then i don’t know yet.

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    Really?  Even with the increased damage to light attacks, you think Heavy Attack builds will still be king for Sorcs?

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    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up

     

    Funny, the streamers all said Warden dps was poor, and the Dev’s confirmed it in the last Live. The same goes for sorc dps, not as high as stated here on the streams I saw. Still, sorcs are getting massively nerfed is my guess, and they are not doing it in PTS is stop the bad PR and rage quits in the forums. The PTS forum is already a toxic mess.

    Sorc will still be the best class in Morrowind. The total kit just surpasses what the other classes have left after the rampant nerfs.

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    Aumann

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    You kind of contradict yourself but ok.

    We’ll see after today anyway as our testing will go live.

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    Aumann

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    So here we go, patch is live:

    Petsorcs: up to 42k solo on dummy if you have a maelstrom staff, but pets are bugged, don’t regen life, and due to that steal more heals and die more. So on dummy it’s the strongest, but in trials, it’s annoying as hell.

    Netch’s touch sorc: Nice damage, less than pet builds but very consistent. It’s refreshing to see a petless build do well. With whichmother’s brew you only need to do a few heavy attacks now and then to keep your sustain up.

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