Magicka sorcerer considerations for Morrowind

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    FrancisCrawford

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    katorga said on April 25, 2017 :

    if sustain is weak, Endless Fury looks more appealing in some trash fights.

    Destro staff passive returns 3000+ magicka on a kill with a destro staff ability….no need for endless fury.

    I tend to agree, unless there’s some odd situation where it’s desirable to steal kills from a teammate who isn’t getting strong on-kill benefits herself.

     

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    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up+

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    Aumann said on April 26, 2017 :

    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up+

     

    Interesting that Necropotence is still strong despite the increased importance of heavy attacks.

     

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    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Aumann said on April 26, 2017 :

    They better nerf sorc, some tests have been done on PTS:

    41k self-buffed on target dummy with necro+elegance heavy attack pet build. Completely ridiculous.

    Same for the warden: necropotence, elegant, ulti pet and heavy attacks.

    Boring ass meta incoming unless they nerf, or get sustain support back up+

    Interesting that Necropotence is still strong despite the increased importance of heavy attacks.

    It’s related to the fact that Heavy Attacks scale better with a higher Max Magicka pool than with Spell Damage… No idea as to why, but it’s currently the word floating around.

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    What Pretzl said, and just the fact that you still use pet, very simply.

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    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Interesting that Necropotence is still strong despite the increased importance of heavy attacks.

    It’s related to the fact that Heavy Attacks scale better with a higher Max Magicka pool than with Spell Damage… No idea as to why, but it’s currently the word floating around.

    Wow. That goes against received wisdom, and hence needs to be tested ASAP.

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    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    It’s related to the fact that Heavy Attacks scale better with a higher Max Magicka pool than with Spell Damage… No idea as to why, but it’s currently the word floating around.

    Wow. That goes against received wisdom, and hence needs to be tested ASAP.

    Please do, and let me know of your findings. I haven’t tested it myself, but I have it from very credible sources.

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    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Interesting that Necropotence is still strong despite the increased importance of heavy attacks.

    It’s related to the fact that Heavy Attacks scale better with a higher Max Magicka pool than with Spell Damage… No idea as to why, but it’s currently the word floating around.

    Heavy attacks scale better with spell damage. I teated Necro versus netch and undoubtedly Netch pulled 6% higher when it came to heavy attacks  the problem is Necro buffed the damage of all other skills by 2% more and Familiar by a whopping 18%. This was with warhorn up ofc. So although you are losing 6% from your heavy attacks, the rest of your skills hit a little harder and familiar hits a lot harder making Necro the best choice.

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    It’s related to the fact that Heavy Attacks scale better with a higher Max Magicka pool than with Spell Damage… No idea as to why, but it’s currently the word floating around.

    Heavy attacks scale better with spell damage. I teated Necro versus netch and undoubtedly Netch pulled 6% higher when it came to heavy attacks the problem is Necro buffed the damage of all other skills by 2% more and Familiar by a whopping 18%. This was with warhorn up ofc. So although you are losing 6% from your heavy attacks, the rest of your skills hit a little harder and familiar hits a lot harder making Necro the best choice.

    Alright, thanks :)

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    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    Heavy attacks scale better with spell damage. I teated Necro versus netch and undoubtedly Netch pulled 6% higher when it came to heavy attacks the problem is Necro buffed the damage of all other skills by 2% more and Familiar by a whopping 18%. This was with warhorn up ofc. So although you are losing 6% from your heavy attacks, the rest of your skills hit a little harder and familiar hits a lot harder making Necro the best choice.

    Alright, thanks

    One think i dont understand though is why people run elegant as the complementary set. It only buffs one type of damage. Moondancer 4 piece with ilambris or moondancer 4 piece with another moster set should pull ahead.

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    pretzl said on April 26, 2017 :

    Alright, thanks

    One think i dont understand though is why people run elegant as the complementary set. It only buffs one type of damage. Moondancer 4 piece with ilambris or moondancer 4 piece with another moster set should pull ahead.

    Wait a moment. If we’re assuming a monster set and staves, then there’s only one 5-piece bonus.

    For those of us with access to monster gear but no trial or arena gear, the choice is either 3 Willpower plus an orphan, or else some 4-piece set with conventional kinds of 2/3/4-piece set bonuses.

    If jewelry enchants can offer sufficient sustain, perhaps Martial Knowledge would be appealing for the 4-piece.

     

    Actually, I leveled a bunch of characters to max recently with all the double XP, and decided to craft a five piece set for one of them rather than dress them ALL strictly from drops. I picked Seducer. :) But that’s not as strong a statement as it sounds, since I already have 5-piece sets of Julianos kicking around.

     

     

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    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    One think i dont understand though is why people run elegant as the complementary set. It only buffs one type of damage. Moondancer 4 piece with ilambris or moondancer 4 piece with another moster set should pull ahead.

    Wait a moment. If we’re assuming a monster set and staves, then there’s only one 5-piece bonus.

    For those of us with access to monster gear but no trial or arena gear, the choice is either 3 Willpower plus an orphan, or else some 4-piece set with conventional kinds of 2/3/4-piece set bonuses.

    If jewelry enchants can offer sufficient sustain, perhaps Martial Knowledge would be appealing for the 4-piece.

    Actually, I leveled a bunch of characters to max recently with all the double XP, and decided to craft a five piece set for one of them rather than dress them ALL strictly from drops. I picked Seducer. But that’s not as strong a statement as it sounds, since I already have 5-piece sets of Julianos kicking around.

    So far Heavy attacking pulls ahead for me more than old meta with sustain enchants/gear…but we will sew what happens…currwntly im moat excited about Master at Arms affecting jabs/sweeps/Balista

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    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Wait a moment. If we’re assuming a monster set and staves, then there’s only one 5-piece bonus.

    For those of us with access to monster gear but no trial or arena gear, the choice is either 3 Willpower plus an orphan, or else some 4-piece set with conventional kinds of 2/3/4-piece set bonuses.

    If jewelry enchants can offer sufficient sustain, perhaps Martial Knowledge would be appealing for the 4-piece.

    Actually, I leveled a bunch of characters to max recently with all the double XP, and decided to craft a five piece set for one of them rather than dress them ALL strictly from drops. I picked Seducer. But that’s not as strong a statement as it sounds, since I already have 5-piece sets of Julianos kicking around.

    So far Heavy attacking pulls ahead for me more than old meta with sustain enchants/gear…but we will sew what happens…currwntly im moat excited about Master at Arms affecting jabs/sweeps/Balista

    Ahh. Right. Heavy attacks = Moar Magicka!

    I haven’t tracked Master at Arms. What’s affected by it vs. Thaumaturge vs. both (!) vs. neither (!)?

     

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    FrancisCrawford said on April 26, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on April 26, 2017 :

    So far Heavy attacking pulls ahead for me more than old meta with sustain enchants/gear…but we will sew what happens…currwntly im moat excited about Master at Arms affecting jabs/sweeps/Balista

    Ahh. Right. Heavy attacks = Moar Magicka!

    I haven’t tracked Master at Arms. What’s affected by it vs. Thaumaturge vs. both (!) vs. neither (!)?

    I havent tested on sorc after they fixed it, but it shouldnt buff dots, only direct damage now, so oerhaps with this change, the frag/curse old meta would work better…

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    I don’t think so. Elegant is a 20% buff to heavy attacks alongside other stats. Since you will be heavy attacking the majority of the time unless you apply dots it’s huge, paired with the staff mastery passive the boost might be big enough to outperform netch.

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    Is there a straight up answer as to what will best in slot for mag sorc come morrowind?. I would like to start farming & improving gear asap.

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    Aumann said on April 27, 2017 :

    I don’t think so. Elegant is a 20% buff to heavy attacks alongside other stats. Since you will be heavy attacking the majority of the time unless you apply dots it’s huge, paired with the staff mastery passive the boost might be big enough to outperform netch.

    If you arw doing it right the hevay attack takes up inly a small proportion of your damage, and is thus not a very good single stat to boost. Necro/moondancer is a lot better choice…

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    ginjaninjaah said on April 27, 2017 :

    Is there a straight up answer as to what will best in slot for mag sorc come morrowind?. I would like to start farming & improving gear asap.

    Not till the later pts patches…right now it is hard to say..

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    I don’t know the details, but its possible. I’ll have to test for myself, downloading pts tonight

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    Aumann said on April 27, 2017 :

    I don’t know the details, but its possible. I’ll have to test for myself, downloading pts tonight

    Elegance hasnt been good forever…your FHA should only be a small percentage…

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