Looking for viable magblade that uses dual wield that's Morrowind friendly

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    ookami007

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    Can anyone recommend a good magicka nightblade build that uses dual wield and can handle solo content and vet dungeon content AND is Morrowind friendly?

    I have several stamblades, but I feel as they are really getting the shaft with this update, especially with them increasing the cost of Vigor.

    Why duel wield you ask?  Because I would rather not play than play with a finger-waggling, staff wielding mage-wannabe, when I want to play a sneaky, stab you in the back S.O.B. who uses daggers (or swords or any other weapon that allows me to get up close and personal).

    I really DESPISE the way nearly all magicka builds are forced to use staffs. Why can’t I use a magic sword or a magic broomstick or a magic dagger or a magic stuff bunny rabbit?  Why a $#$% staff?

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    ookami007

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    No responses…. does this mean there are none?

     

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    Masel92

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    I can help you: 5 master architect, 5 scathing mage and 2 grothdarr with two master architect swords and vMA inferno staff on the back bar. Or Moondancer if you have two swords.
    Skills:
    DW bar:
    Impale, Swallow Soul, Crippling Grasp, Relentless Focus, inner light,  Soul Harvest

     

    Destro Bar:
    Harness Magicka, Twisting Path, Blockade, Siphoning Attacks, Inner Light, Elemental Rage.

     

    Melee build, but it rocks!

    if you want less grind go 5 architect on the body with jewellery and 5 julianos with 2 swords :)

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    FrancisCrawford

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    ookami007 said on May 11, 2017 :

    No responses…. does this mean there are none?

    It’s hard to come up with a good magicka damage build that doesn’t include at least one staff. Reasons include:

    • Elemental Blockade is too good to leave out.
    • In many cases, the same is true of the destro ultimate.
    • The magicka return from heavy attacks will be too important.

     

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    Lexifer452

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    Even the magdps builds that still use dual swords never actually attack with them you know. They’re just stat sticks on a mag build.

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    Magicka DPS on multiple tons.

     

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    ookami007

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    Masel92 said on May 11, 2017 :

    I can help you: 5 master architect, 5 scathing mage and 2 grothdarr with two master architect swords and vMA inferno staff on the back bar. Or Moondancer if you have two swords.
    Skills:
    DW bar:
    Impale, Swallow Soul, Crippling Grasp, Relentless Focus, inner light, Soul Harvest

    Destro Bar:
    Harness Magicka, Twisting Path, Blockade, Siphoning Attacks, Inner Light, Elemental Rage.

    Melee build, but it rocks!

    if you want less grind go 5 architect on the body with jewellery and 5 julianos with 2 swords

    I going to try this.  What race do you recommend?

    Thanks!

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    DonkeyJote

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    I’d say Altmer.

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    ookami007

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    I’ve seen some builds with Dunmer and Breton too.  I understand Breton, with their passives, but why Dunmer?

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    Masel92

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    ookami007 said on May 16, 2017 :

    I’ve seen some builds with Dunmer and Breton too. I understand Breton, with their passives, but why Dunmer?

    dunmer is best for builds that rely on fire damage more than others. Now that sustain got nerfed I’ll always prefer Altmer. Their passives are simply the best for magicka builds now. The sustain difference is really small between Altmer and Breton and Breton misses out on Damage Passives.

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    katorga

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    For PVE I’m not sure there is a rationale for magicka dual wield any more. With the sustain changes you have to have the resource return from at least one staff. It’s not fun to give two sets and a monster set, but the best you can do is 2+1 on the dw bar and 1+1 set on the staff bar.

    The damage bonuses to fire and lightning staff pretty much negate the damage bonuses from dw.

     

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    ookami007

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    katorga said on May 17, 2017 :

    For PVE I’m not sure there is a rationale for magicka dual wield any more. With the sustain changes you have to have the resource return from at least one staff. It’s not fun to give two sets and a monster set, but the best you can do is 2+1 on the dw bar and 1+1 set on the staff bar.

    The damage bonuses to fire and lightning staff pretty much negate the damage bonuses from dw.

     

    That’s sad… less variety.  Pigeon hole all classes.  That’s the ZoS we all know and love.

     

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    shredguitargod

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    I’ve just posted a DW MagBlade build in the Nightblade Theory Crafting section. It’s called DeathBlade.

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    ookami007 said on May 10, 2017 :

    Can anyone recommend a good magicka nightblade build that uses dual wield and can handle solo content and vet dungeon content AND is Morrowind friendly?

    I have several stamblades, but I feel as they are really getting the shaft with this update, especially with them increasing the cost of Vigor.

    Why duel wield you ask? Because I would rather not play than play with a finger-waggling, staff wielding mage-wannabe, when I want to play a sneaky, stab you in the back S.O.B. who uses daggers (or swords or any other weapon that allows me to get up close and personal).

    I really DESPISE the way nearly all magicka builds are forced to use staffs. Why can’t I use a magic sword or a magic broomstick or a magic dagger or a magic stuff bunny rabbit? Why a $#$% staff?

    The only reason to run DW on a magblade woulf be to get a 5 piece of the new trial set (Master Architect) on your back bar, however, since they buffed light attacks so much, im not even.sure that it worth it to do that…would have to test. Any other instance of using DW backbar is a dps loss…

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    katorga

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    OK, to make it interesting, with front loaded CP, you might be able to buff light DW attacks enough to make the marginally relevant. Kristopher ESO (youtube) had a build a while back with a DW mageblade that used torugs pact and focused on enchant damage that might work. Also because light/heavy attacks have a 40:1 ratio of magicka to spell damage compared to the normal 10.25:1, you could stack damage and using pelinals hybrid gear to make it work with high DW lights.

    The advantage here for NB is that they can regain stats with lights with whatever is left of siphoning attacks and use it to proc Grim Focus bow attacks. So NB in PVE does have an advantage for high dps light attack weaving compared to classes that will have to work heavies into their weave.

    The really sad part is most casual players, people on high ping connections simply can’t handle weaving or animation cancelling and are going to get hammered even more on top of the sustain changes and other nerfs.

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    ookami007

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    katorga said on May 20, 2017 :

    OK, to make it interesting, with front loaded CP, you might be able to buff light DW attacks enough to make the marginally relevant. Kristopher ESO (youtube) had a build a while back with a DW mageblade that used torugs pact and focused on enchant damage that might work. Also because light/heavy attacks have a 40:1 ratio of magicka to spell damage compared to the normal 10.25:1, you could stack damage and using pelinals hybrid gear to make it work with high DW lights.

    The advantage here for NB is that they can regain stats with lights with whatever is left of siphoning attacks and use it to proc Grim Focus bow attacks. So NB in PVE does have an advantage for high dps light attack weaving compared to classes that will have to work heavies into their weave.

    The really sad part is most casual players, people on high ping connections simply can’t handle weaving or animation cancelling and are going to get hammered even more on top of the sustain changes and other nerfs.

    This sounds very interesting, but how much of a dps hit do you take by switching to sets that obviously have little dps value?  It seems ZoS wants to lock all magicka users into staffs, which is completely against the heart and soul of Elder Scrolls games.  But then again, this isn’t Elder Scrolls… it’s a crappy MMO inside of an Elder Scrolls candy shell.

    Every time I play it, I feel like Dumbledor in the scene from Harry Potter where he is looking at the every flavor beans and says:

    “Ah! Bertie Bott’s Every Flavor Beans! I was unfortunate enough in my youth to come across a vomit-flavored one, and since then I’m afraid I’ve rather lost my liking for them — but I think I’ll be safe with a nice toffee, don’t you?”
    He smiled and popped the golden-brown bean into his mouth.
    “Alas! Ear wax!”

     

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    katorga

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    Torugs pact and infused weapons hit kind of hard, probably harder with new cp. NB, in my opinion, is the only class that could use dual wield for magicka melee because they have a very good magicka gap closer. Templar’s is slow and buggy. The DK’s is garbage.

     

     

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    ookami007

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    I’ve been playing this up to level 21 so far.  I can’t say I’m really enjoying it as someone pointed out, the new sustain issues really REQUIRE you to heavy attack WITH A STAFF to restore magicka.  I find myself running into sustain issues just in arena & folly in Gold Coast and even in Dolmen fights unless I switch to staff – which I despise.

    I guess this just isn’t an option anymore.

     

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    ookami007

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    Up to level 37 on this.  It’s OK… but still burdensome to play.

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    FrancisCrawford said on May 11, 2017 :

    ookami007 said on May 11, 2017 :

    No responses…. does this mean there are none?

    It’s hard to come up with a good magicka damage build that doesn’t include at least one staff.

    I agree. Ranged attacks.

    I tried a dual wield magblade awhile back. I didnt have much fun and deleted the toon around level 40. But I used a khajiit and depended crit hits and a lot of being invisible and life steals.

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    Bops-On-Heads said on June 13, 2017 :

    FrancisCrawford said on May 11, 2017 :

    It’s hard to come up with a good magicka damage build that doesn’t include at least one staff.

    I agree. Ranged attacks.

    I tried a dual wield magblade awhile back. I didnt have much fun and deleted the toon around level 40. But I used a khajiit and depended crit hits and a lot of being invisible and life steals.

     

    Like many things in the game, ESO has ruined any chance of a viable melee build for magicka with their changes to sustain.  I’m up to level 48 and it sucks.  I am constantly having to switch to staff to recharge.

    Not even worth playing anymore.

     

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