"The Magplar", Latter's Magicka Templar DD, Now Updated for One Tamriel!

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    accidental doublepost, delete

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 9, 2017 :

    pretzl said on January 9, 2017 :

    You wanna put your shortest DoT on your backbar? xd

    The way the rotation flows in terms of animation delay putting PL on back bar becomes a DPS increase. I tested with it on front bar and numbers were much lower. Reflective animation is shorter and thus it is easier to lightweave with it. PL animation is longer so I use it to charge up medium weaves.

    BTW welcome to the fire/lightning meta, now you have to run lightning back bar and keep blockade upfront xD. We shalt convert the world!

    Lightning mainbar dw offbar without a doubt ;)

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    Can’t wait for you to get the proper templates and get some testing done :)

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    Hopefully next week with the more or less final skill updates.

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    Latter said on January 10, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 9, 2017 :

    The way the rotation flows in terms of animation delay putting PL on back bar becomes a DPS increase. I tested with it on front bar and numbers were much lower. Reflective animation is shorter and thus it is easier to lightweave with it. PL animation is longer so I use it to charge up medium weaves.

    BTW welcome to the fire/lightning meta, now you have to run lightning back bar and keep blockade upfront xD. We shalt convert the world!

    Lightning mainbar dw offbar without a doubt

    With my build that wouldnt work since that would mean no fire blockade and I need my BSW:) but I love the gear variations you can do nowdays.

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 10, 2017 :

    Latter said on January 10, 2017 :

    Lightning mainbar dw offbar without a doubt

    With my build that wouldnt work since that would mean no fire blockade and I need my BSW:) but I love the gear variations you can do nowdays.

    Thing is its more than worth to drop BSW for the lightning staff + lightning bonuses, no point in keeping BSW.

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    Latter said on January 10, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 10, 2017 :

    With my build that wouldnt work since that would mean no fire blockade and I need my BSW:) but I love the gear variations you can do nowdays.

    Thing is its more than worth to drop BSW for the lightning staff + lightning bonuses, no point in keeping BSW.

    What would you use instead though? TBS is worse so is Juli…so whats left?

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    Lightning mainbar dw offbar without a doubt

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    What’s bar setup and rotation with this setup?

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    We have to see how all the lightning “synergies” play out. I think at least one lightning wall user could help the raid a bit. Due to this I think going away from BSW might be good.

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    olmrshadowlo said on January 10, 2017 :

    Lightning mainbar dw offbar without a doubt

    What’s bar setup and rotation with this setup?

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    I can’t be 100% sure untill i get to do longer parse testing with this gear setup, as soon as i get EU templates i will do extensive testing as to what setup works the best and after that record my build video and update the thread :)

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 10, 2017 :

    Latter said on January 10, 2017 :

    Thing is its more than worth to drop BSW for the lightning staff + lightning bonuses, no point in keeping BSW.

    What would you use instead though? TBS is worse so is Juli…so whats left?

    Julianos. BSW is just not as good because of grothdarr being unusable, using a fire staff would force u to either give up 8% sweep/blockade/rl/ult dmg or the moondancer 5p. You have to sacrifice something, running 2 set pieces will be too powerfull, and the 8% aoe dmg from lightning is amazing.

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    Latter said on January 11, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 10, 2017 :

    Julianos. BSW is just not as good because of grothdarr being unusable, using a fire staff would force u to either give up 8% sweep/blockade/rl/ult dmg or the moondancer 5p. You have to sacrifice something, running 2 set pieces will be too powerfull, and the 8% aoe dmg from lightning is amazing.

    I dont agree regarding grothdar, the proc chance increases in AoE and single target without engulfing or minor vulnerability/ combat prayer it does around 1500-1600 DPS. In AoE it wil be probably 2.5-2.7k.  I take it you write off BSW solely because of Grothdar, but even without it, it would have 50%+ uptime.

    Your setup as I understand is

    5 Julianos – 6.28% crit, 300 spell damage, 967 Max Magicka

    5 Moondancer – 5% damage modifier (reduced because its templar), 967 Max Magicka, 129 spell damage passive and 358 spell damage (assuming 80% uptime)

    2 Kena – 129 spell damage, and 335 spell damage (65% uptime)

    Total – 6.28% crit, 5% damage modifier (reduce because its templar), 1934 Max Magicka, 1251 spell damage.

    1. My old setup:

    5 BSW – 3.14% crit, 129 spell damage, 967 Max Magicka, 360 spell damage (assuming 60% uptime)

    5 Moondancer – 5% damage modifier (reduced because its templar), 967 Max Magicka, 129 spell damage passive and 358 spell damage (assuming 80% uptime)

    2 Grothdar – 967 Max Magicka + Proc

    Total – 3.14% crit, 5% reduced damage modifier, 2901 Max Mag, 976 spell damage + grothdar proc.

    2. My setup with Kena:

    5 BSW – 3.14% crit, 129 spell damage, 967 Max Magicka, 360 spell damage (assuming 60% uptime)

    5 Moondancer – 5% damage modifier (reduced because its templar), 967 Max Magicka, 129 spell damage passive and 358 spell damage (assuming 80% uptime)

    2 Kena – 129 spell damage, and 335 spell damage (65% uptime)

    Total – 3.14% crit, 5% damage buff (reduced on templars), 1952 Max Magicka, 1440 spell damage.

    3. Willpower setup

    5 BSW – 3.14% crit, 129 spell damage, 967 Max Magicka, 300 spell damage (assuming 50% uptime)

    5 Moondancer – 5% damage modifier (reduced because its templar), 967 Max Magicka, 129 spell damage passive and 358 spell damage (assuming 80% uptime)

    3 Willpower – 1400 Max Mag, 186 spell damage

    Total – 3.14% crit, 5% damage modifier (reduced because its templar, 3334 max mag, 1102 spell damage

    The willpower setup has 3.14% less crit, 149 less spell damage and 1382 more max Magicka (roughly 178 spell damage) than your kena setup and suffers not from the sustain issues of Kena, but if you insist on Kena, then BSW and Moondancer are BiS with it.

    As far as lightning VS fire staff.

    Lightning staff 8% buffs blockade, relfective initial hit, spear and jabs if you mainbar it. It also allows for the use of the superior damaging lightning destro ulti.

    Fire staff buffs Reflective DoT, Radiant and PL. It allows you to medium weave.

    On my setup jabs and radiant are on the main DW bar because the damage is higher due to the way damage modifiers work and the superior soell damage, leaving only 2 dots on the back bar (I animation cancel Spear when I swap to front bar). So the amount of time on the back bar is limited to 2 seconds out of 8 at best and the lightning staff buff to AoE is not active on the DW bar, however if I usea  fire stave the buff from burning buff my blockade whilst im on the DW bar.

    Illd efinitely test the lightning staff, but I think the loss of medium weaves and blockade damage will not make up for the gain to DoT damage 25% of the time… also keep in mind that when you test with a lightning blockade it will apply minor vulnerability to the boss so make sure to have the same debuff up if you retest fire staff, otherwise your results will be skewed towards lightning…

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    Also Fyi I used 5 BSW, 3 willpower 2 torugs 1 vMA (Lightning) and got this:

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    Note with Grothdar and Reflective light BSW uptime is 51%. On a fight with adds it will be even higher…

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    Nosferatuzod said on January 11, 2017 :

    Also Fyi I used 5 BSW, 3 willpower 2 torugs 1 vMA (Lightning) and got this:

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    Note with Grothdar and Reflective light BSW uptime is 51%. On a fight with adds it will be even higher…

    It might not be as bad as i think, it’s hard for me to know exactly as i have absolutely no way of testing this, although i will as soon as i can.

     

    Also, while upgrading my graphics card my power supply broke! Warranty covers it but i dont have a computer for 1-2 weeks….. great

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    NOOO will you even have time to test on PTS at all? :/

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    Supposedly EU chars will be on for testing with the PTS patch next week. Want anything tested? (The full rotation tests you probably have to do yourself, since there will always be a difference from player to player.

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    If u guys need anything tested.. we will probably doing some pts raids next week. Just put it out here (or pm) and I’ll make sure it gets done.

    Furthermore, my gear (as far as I can see now) is gonna be 2 grot, 5 bsw and 5 moondancer. So that’ll be the first test I’m gonna perform.

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    Latter said on January 12, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on January 11, 2017 :

    Also Fyi I used 5 BSW, 3 willpower 2 torugs 1 vMA (Lightning) and got this:

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    <script src=”//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js” async=”” charset=”utf-8″></script>

    Note with Grothdar and Reflective light BSW uptime is 51%. On a fight with adds it will be even higher…

    It might not be as bad as i think, it’s hard for me to know exactly as i have absolutely no way of testing this, although i will as soon as i can.

    Also, while upgrading my graphics card my power supply broke! Warranty covers it but i dont have a computer for 1-2 weeks….. great

    Ouch…

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    AlfonsoV said on January 12, 2017 :

    If u guys need anything tested.. we will probably doing some pts raids next week. Just put it out here (or pm) and I’ll make sure it gets done.

    Furthermore, my gear (as far as I can see now) is gonna be 2 grot, 5 bsw and 5 moondancer. So that’ll be the first test I’m gonna perform.

    If you can post parses from each boss with your setup it would be great. Id like to see how Grothdar does in a fully buffed raid.

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    I might get it fixed sooner than expected as my warranty actually ran out 4 days ago (fml) so i wont have to send my pc to a workshop halfway across Norway.

    I’ve been told about 5md5bsw setups with dw mainbar, was gonna test all of it properly but now im not so sure!

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