[2.6] Invellous's Mageblade Tank Guide – Update In Progress

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    nox-uk

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    bad timing on the quote :D  I edited to add my data in whilst you quoted me :D

    yes, footmans isn’t as good as it reads on the tooltip

    Nox

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    I will do some personal testing this weekend though I remain *extremely* skeptical that Woeler knows better than someone who *actually* works in the industry.

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    Invellous said on December 28, 2016 :

    I will do some personal testing this weekend though I remain *extremely* skeptical that Woeler knows better than someone who *actually* works in the industry.

     

    I felt exactly the same way was you, hence testing it myself. I was a bit surprised…  it may just not be working quite as intended.

     

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    Man, oh man. That 38% cost increase to Strife and it’s morphs is gonna suck.

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    yes, but it will not impact a nearly ‘maxed out’ nb tank too much, I might need to quaff a migacka pot now and again or be a little stricter on my siphoning timing. It will affect those ‘testing the waters’ or new players. Completely against Zenimax’s want to bring the high & low end closer together.

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    @nox-uk and invell, im super stoled i just found a second shield of bloothorn and infused vampire cloak sword… sitting at 28k+ health, 30k mag and 14k stam both bars with 27-28k resistances.  Rkugamz + bloodthorn has so much sustain and healing im able to block cast everything and stand in fire as  a dunmer vamp.  Tanked HM CoA2 and BC2 today; in BC2 held 8 draegloths on last boss while the group dps main boss (low group dps…), and in CoA2 i just held both atronachs on ash titan and had no issues on horvantud and skoria.  Tank test good to go :)  i wouldnt mind offtanking trials but not main tank.

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    I am utterly convinced there are no circumstances where vampires cloak set is better that plague doctors. You get 7k less health (which in reality works out close to 10k) by equipping vampires cloak but you get some spells damage and 8% damage redux that works out as 2.4k if you sit at 30k health. This means any shields you cast that scale of health are also bigger.

    have tried both now :P

    honestly never had a problem block casting anyway, just need a few drop pots every so often and being efficient with abilities.

     

    let me know how trials tanking goes :)  have been able to do all the above on my leeching/baharah build. have also lopped 20% off engine guardian solo in vet hard too beforte I got bored and rezzed the party. Also managed to take the boss of tempest isle (vet hard made) down solo after party died (from about 40%)

     

    tanking to the extreme!  but my dk is even more survivable…  he is ridiculous.

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    nox-uk said on January 11, 2017 :

    I am utterly convinced there are no circumstances where vampires cloak set is better that plague doctors. You get 7k less health (which in reality works out close to 10k) by equipping vampires cloak but you get some spells damage and 8% damage redux that works out as 2.4k if you sit at 30k health. This means any shields you cast that scale of health are also bigger.

    have tried both now

    honestly never had a problem block casting anyway, just need a few drop pots every so often and being efficient with abilities.

    let me know how trials tanking goes have been able to do all the above on my leeching/baharah build.have also lopped 20% off engine guardian solo in vet hard too beforte I got bored and rezzed the party.Also managed to take the boss of tempest isle (vet hard made) down solo after party died (from about 40%)

    tanking to the extreme! but my dk is even more survivable… he is ridiculous.

    Yeah i just dont shield stack (ever), and have little going on that scales from health – so plague doctor is doing little for me.

    Remember… damage reductions apply BEFORE blocking and resistances.  Let us have fun with maths!

    10k damage hit => vampire’s cloak soaks 8% or 800 damage; plague doctor you take 10k damage but just have more health to soak it with.

    resistances of 27k… equates to 41% mitigation…

    blocking gives 50% base and another 28% from 1hs passives and defensive posture.  So 78% redux there.

    So… correct me if i am wrong.  37k health vs 28k health.

    10k damage

    – 28% (2,800… 800 damage reduction vampires cloak and 2,000 from say 20% redux from cp)

    – 41% remaining (2,952 from resistance)

    – 78% remaining (3,313 from blocking)

    total is 9,065 mitigated damage.

     

    take away that initial 8%…

    – 20% (2k)

    – 41% (3,280)

    – 78% (3,681)

    total is 8,961 mitigated damage.

     

    difference of roughly 100 damage.  Again, talking a 10,000 damage hit, which isnt that hard honestly, so scale that up by x3 for a 30k hit.. still not much.  So what does having the extra health do for me if i am not stacking shields?  I would rather have the spell damage on vc set for slightly more dps and group healing over the healing taken (which only affects my self healing siphoning).  Dont need more than 28-30k health otherwise.

    it is such a small difference tbh, but i kinda like damage reduction over health for a saptank.  Meh.

    ***forgot this guy was a vampire too… so below 50% health the massive damage reduction further stacks with the vampire’s cloak for even more reduced damage.  You could however argue that more health for a vamp means that damage reduction kicks in at a safer health total rather than having a low health total to get it going… again meh, im rarely under 50%.  I also forgot maim, which applies before everything, I believe.  When considering hard mode bosses that can hit very hard, either strategy is worth playing with (health vs damage reduction).

    I might consider tavas or dragonguard instead of vc set since all the slots i am using can be crafted (4 armor + weapons), and dragonguard is pretty cheap.  Might offer more benefit.

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    mrowmrif2 said on January 11, 2017 :

    So what does having the extra health do for me if i am not stacking shields?

    two benefits i can see are it’s the difference between surviving a 35k hit and not & the extra second it gives your groups healer to move the cat off their keyboard :)

     

    mrowmrif2 said on January 11, 2017 :

    it is such a small difference tbh

    Which is why i’m not rating it highly. The suggested alternative is +7k health which is actually huge.

    The only real benefit benefit i can see from vampires cloak is the 8% less damage you don’t need to heal, and if we are looking at reducing the amount we have to heal, you may as well wear sanctuary set and turns that 8% into 16% (and give your group +12% healing in the process). The +spell damage a secondary for me, it’s not aiding me in tanking much (primary role).  Easily compensated for with a jewellery glyph

    I was looking at combat metrics results last night, I was a bit shocked to see how poorly siphoning attacks performed on a boss fight (blocking a lot) compared to the constitution passive…

    Nox

     

     

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