ESO performance Discussion – Details From Release

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  1. Avatar ImageKatrisa

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    Bosmer Dragonknight

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    Hi everyone.  I am a performance engineer at work and love to build systems, benchmark them and find and locate hardware bottlenecks.  I was able to play ESO on three different systems and have some general guidance about how beta works with different video cards and hardware.  My focus will be on video cards and CPUs.  The reason for the video card and CPU focus is these will be the two primary bottlnecks in ESO if you have at least 6Gb of memory.  Please note a very important point.  Once you have a video card capable of rendering a graphical quality at an acceptable framerate (40+ fps).  The remainder of your framerate will be determined by the power/quality of your CPU.  Eso is heavily CPU bottlnecked once you have an acceptable video card especially in PvP.  Please keep this in mind when building your system and spend any extra money you have on a better CPU (Intel core i5 processors are ideal).  Here are the details:

    CPU considerations – From Tom’s hardware and my own research I would currently be looking at these CPUS for ESO:
    Toms hardware best CPUs for your money: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

    • Price   CPU Name
    • $90      AMD 760K Richland 3.8GHz (4.1Ghz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $110    AMD FX-4300 Vishera 3.8GHz (4.0Ghz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $120    AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Six-Core
    • $140    AMD FX-6350 Vishera 3.9GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Six-Core
    • $140    AMD FX-4350 Vishera 4.2GHz (4.3GHz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $160    AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Eight-Core (Black Edition)
    • $180    AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Eight-Core (Black Edition)
    • $180    Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $190    Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (3.6GHz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $240    Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Quad-Core
    • $310    Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) Quad-Core

    GPU considerations – From Tom’s hardware and my own research I would currently be looking at these cards for ESO (each card listed is roughly the best power per dollar):
    Toms hardware best graphics cards for your money: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

    • Price   Video Card Name                          Recommended ESO Setting       Example of well reviewed card on Newegg
    • $90      Radeon R7 250 2GB 128-bit DDR3                   Medium – High                                    MSI R7 250 2GD3 OC Radeon R7 250 2GB
    • $120    Radeon R7 260X 2GB 128-bit DDR3                 High                                                      XFX R7-260X-CNF4 Core Edition Radeon R7 260X 2GB
    • $155    GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB 128-bit GDDR5     High                                                     EVGA 02G-P4-3753-KR GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB
    • $200    Radeon R9 270 2GB 256-bit GDDR5              Ultra High                                           MSI R9 270 GAMING 2GB
    • $210    GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5         Ultra High                                           MSI N660 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 660 2GB ***top ten on Newegg
    • $250    Radeon R9 270x 2GB 256-bit GDDR5            Ultra High                                           HIS IceQ X² Turbo Boost Radeon R9 270X
    • $250    GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5         Ultra High                                           MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB ***top ten on Newegg

    *Note my recommended ESO setting listed above is my best estimate to achieve acceptable performance across PvE (30+ fps). You may also be comfortable setting your ESO graphic setting one level higher if your monitor is smaller than 1920×1080, or if you are ok with slightly lower average frame rates.

    ESO FPS Stuttering:

    As this thread and the following posts note ESO does not use CPU’s in an optimal manner.  Consequently on some older model CPUs (and some newer) improper thread parking and sleeping can occur and some windows versions will allow ESO to pass work to other threads which aren’t in a fully ready state.  When this hand off occurs with core work ESO will stutter for a moment.  If you experience stuttering you should review the below list and try the different fixes which make the most sense for your situation.

    Potential ways to fix FPS stuttering in ESO:

    1. Edit C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\Documents\Elder Scrolls Online\liveUserSettings.txt and update SET RequestedNumJobThreads “0″.  “0” can fix the problem on older model CPUs because it effectively blocks ESO from passing off core work to another thread (there for blocking the stutter from occurring).
    2. Upgrading to Windows 8.1 can often times fix FPS stuttering in ESO problem because Windows 8.1 handles thread management much better.
    3. A proper CPU overclock or even simply disabling thread parking in the bios can fix the issue by disabling threads from being in sub-optimal states for work (but will raise power usage and consequently heat production from your system).
    4. If you have any map mods ensure they are behaving correctly and NOT creating way too many nodes to the extent that your mod is slowing down your client.

    Detailed GPU Thoughts:

    If you have a $200-250 modern card you should be at or above ESO’s recommended specs and should be able to run on Ultra High at 30+ fps.  If you have a $140-150 card you will probably find running the game on high to be best for maintaining 30+ FPS.  For modern cards closer to $100-120 I’m guessing you will need to slip down to medium-low graphics.  For cards which just barely support the game you’ll have to run on low and may need to run sub-sampling (forces an artificially low resolution).  Anything over $300 will also run ESO on Ultra High settings but you would only want to consider cards over $300 for other games or if you are planning for multiple monitors.

    Finally if you are looking to buy a 200-280 dollar video card right now I personally would strongly recommend MSI’s GeForce GTX 660 or 760.  Theses cards are in Newegg’s top 10 best customer ranked cards right now.  Personally I picked up a MSI GeForce GTX 760 and I absolutely love the card.  I could rave about the card forever, but it packs the power to make modern games run smoothly on Ultra High settings at 1920×1080.

    Detailed CPU Thoughts and Overclocking:

    First and most important ESO is heavily CPU bottlenecked in PvP and towns in PvE.  Also ESO only makes good use of one CPU core(and partial use of three other cores).  Consequently ESO will perform the best on Intel quad core CPUs, specifically core i5 and i7 processors.  ESO will perform second best on the AMD FX Vishera line of quad, six and eight core CPUs.  You are best off spending any extra money on the best CPU you can afford up to a Intel Core i5-4670K.  The i7 processors only give a very minor increase in performance beyond this particular i5 processor in ESO and other games.  The AMD FX Vishera line of CPUs will perform roughly 10-20% worse than the Intel core i5/i7 processors so its a very notable drop and should be kept in mind.

    Whether using an Intel or AMD processor overclocking is highly beneficial in ESO.  Both Intel core i5/7 processors and AMD FX processors can often be overclocked 500MHz or more at stock voltages.  I strongly prefer to keep processors at stock CPU voltages (or at the max stock CPU voltage which would be accepted by the maximum powered CPU for the motherboard).  The key being that raising voltages beyond stock motherboard and CPU voltage increase the stress on your parts, and when increased enough it will unquestionably reduce the lifetime of your parts.  Many voltage overclockers blow out multiple motherboards during the course of their endeavors and they frequently RMA and return these motherboards to the vendor (which is not responsible IMO).

    If overclocking please stay at your stock CPU/motherboard voltages, ensure your have stabled aftermarket cooling which is well reviewed, and read up on others experience with overclocking with your motherboard and CPU.  You can find tons of information at www.overclock.net and post questions or issues you have.  Also please be aware when overclocking that you increase the pressure not only on your CPU but also your vrms and mosfets (which regulate power to your CPU).  Mosfets frequently burn out or throttle when overclocking with higher voltages due to the additional heat.  You can read more here http://www.overclock.net/a/about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-with-high-tdp-processors.  Also keep in mind overclocking is quite involved and it can take quite a few hours of work to find the optimal configuration for your system.  Also keep in mind with six and eight core AMD processors you often will find your best gaming overclock by disabling cores till you are down to four cores (which is optimal for most games) and then pushing those four cores as fast as they will go (the CPU will require less power overall and each core will clock much higher than when more cores are enabled).  If you have more overclocking questions feel free to ask.

    GPU cooling and single vs dual fan styles:

    The newer Nivida cards are quoted to survive a peak temperature up to 115-120C without dying, but if they run constantly over 85C their lifespan will shorten.  Consequently most video card GPU’s under load will run at 60-75C on their stock coolers (which is a perfectly healthy).

    With this said you may notice many GPUs now sport large twin fan styles.  In general twin fan styles drop GPU temperatures and run quieter (since they rarely have to run at 100% speed).  But some of the twin fan styles dump the GPU air into the case (rather than pushing it out the back).  This is especially true with the twin frozr style which greatly reduces your average GPU temperature.  With this said if you have healthy air flow from the front to the back of your case this becomes a non issue and makes a twin fan style ideal if you want lower GPU temperatures and a quieter GPU.

    For any case I recommend at least one 120 mm fan pulling air into the case on the front and one 120 mm fan pushing air out the back.  This is plenty of air flow for non SLI configurations.  If you do not have a front fan pulling air into your case or you have poor rear airflow you should avoid dual fan style GPUs.  Without proper airflow through your system a dual fan style will dump all the hot rair back into the system and your whole system could suffer.  Again though the primary issue here would be poor system airflow which you should resolve anyway.

    My tested configurations:

    AMD FX-8320 Vishera overclocked to 4.5Ghz locked at four cores and MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB:

    • Resolution 1920×1080
    • Graphic Settings: Ultra High
    • Heavily Structured Town: 40+ fps
    • Solo Outdoors/General: 50+ fps
    • Dungeons (with 1-4 people): 50+ fps
    • Cyrodiil Medium Scrimmage 40+ fps (30+ people)
    • Cyrodiil Large Scrimmage 30+ fps (100+ people)
    • Cyrodiil Very Large Scrimmage 20+ fps (200+ people)

    AMD FX-8320 Vishera at default 3.4Ghz (4.0 Turbo) eight core and Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-Bit:

    • Resolution 1440×900
    • Graphic Settings: Ultra High
    • Heavily Structured Town: 30+ fps
    • Solo Outdoors/General: 40+ fps
    • Dungeons (with 1-4 people): 40+ fps

    Intel i7-720 1.6GHz (2.8GHz turbo) quad core and GeForce GT 240M with 1GB (Mobile video card):

    • Resolution 1600×900
    • Graphic Settings: Low (no sub sampling).
    • Heavily Structured Town: 10+ fps
    • Solo Outdoors/General: 20+ fps
    • Dungeons (with 1-4 people): 20+ fps
    • *Note combat would sometimes dip the frame rate in the teens.

    Note these are rough figures but they should give you a rough idea of what to expect and plan for.   Note that some towns are very detailed and not very optimized and many users are reporting framerates dropping down to ~30 FPS regardless of how large their GPU setup is.  This is very specific to certain towns though and not all have this problem.

    On last note I want to make, when building a PC I don’t just throw money at the biggest hardware I can.  I view buying/building a PC as building optimally to achieve the required performance for the task at hand, while spending as little money as required, along with factoring the power needed for future games/tasks and the ability to upgrade of the PC you are creating.  So my thoughts and comments here are really geared for your average person trying to play the game at hand comfortably, and not the crowd who are building $2000+ PCs with dual SLI and enough power to run the game on 3 different monitors at constant frame-rates over 100 fps (I somewhat jest, but there are people trying to do this kind of thing).

    • This topic was modified 3 months ago by Avatar Image Katrisa.

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  2. Avatar ImageSpectre

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    Imperial Dragonknight

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    Good information! I personally run on a PNY Geforce GTX 760 2GB on mostly ultra (mostly because I toned down the shadows to medium  to maximize fps) and get around 60+ fps. This game seems to be well optimized and for an MMO I am amazed at how gorgeous the graphics and lighting are.

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  3. Avatar ImageCharkat

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    I just recently finally ran my 8800 GT into the ground until it began preventing my PC from even booting.  (I’m amazed the thing lasted as long as it did.)  Currently running a 650 Ti and had settings on ultra throughout the last two betas with no hiccups.  To be fair, I didn’t get into massive PvP battles, so I can’t give feedback in that area.  Either way, the game feels very well optimized.

  4. Avatar ImageVirtual Venom

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    You are heaven sent, I’ve been looking for a post like this for sometime with specifics. Can i either post my PC info here or PM them to you and ask some questions about what i can do to run on Ultra High. I ran it on Medium with no issues but High and Ultra High ran for me but with about 20ish FPS, graphics were stunning but didn’t have that crispness. Any help would be appreciated, Hallelujah!

  5. Avatar ImageKatrisa

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    Bosmer Dragonknight

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    So CPUs and memory.

    Let me tackle memory first as its going to be less complicated.  My basic recommendation is you should have at least 4Gb on windows xp and 6Gb on windows 7+ for ESO.  This will allow your system to have healthy memory usage without every becoming cramped for space.  Also you should buy memory which matches the highest speed your motherboard can support.  Right now on Newegg.com Gskill memory has the highest user ratings, but I’ve also been a big fan of Corsair memory and have never had an major issues with their products.  Again the KEY though is to get the highest speed your motherboard can support, and if that is an “overclocked rating” making sure to properly setup the memory in your motherboard.  For example my two new PCs this year used  G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) and 1 x G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) memory.  Both were overclocked rates and required some additional setup in the motherboard bios.  But while quoted as “overclocked” the memory was designed to run at these rates, and consequently squeezes out an additional 10-20% memory performance at a very minimal cost.  Overall though meeting the proper memory requirements for ESO is your primary concern, but having faster memory will improve your ingame performance by a small margin.

    So on to CPUs.  I almost hate to say much about CPUs because we can easily get into a heated debate about AMD vs Intel, questions about what point you have CPU soft capping (where additional CPU power basically becomes moot).  But I’ll do my best to outline my thoughts.  First ESO under most conditions will make fair use of 4-5 CPU threads.  This is where having a quad core CPU is important.  Having less than 4 threads will definitely impact your game performance.  Not all 4-5 threads will run at 100% though, so ESO can certainly run on a dual core processes, but you will be taxing your CPU much more by doing so.  Given the option between a 4-6 core CPU, you will probably see a small benefit in having the 2 additional cores, but it may be such a small benefit that it becomes unnoticeable even in general benchmarks of ESO.  Difference between 6-8 core CPUs will probably be non-existent or undetectable running ESO.   As for speed, I would recommend a 3.4Ghz+ processor, again with at least four cores.  The difference between the 3.4 and 4.0 processors in gaming is notable, so if you have the extra money to kick out for core I5 processors or the higher teir 4.0Ghz AMD processors I would recommend the upgrade.  As for newer i7 processors they are the fastest where gaming is concerned and can net a 10-20% performance increase (though I couldn’t test this myself in ESO).  But in all likelyhood you should have surpassed 40-50+ FPS in-game with the appropriate video card and a core i5 or high end AMD cpu.  So you should only require an i7 processor if you are trying to achieve 60+ FPS at all times (with the appropriate super powerful video card).

    This concludes my general thoughts on CPUs and Memory in reguards to ESO.  If you have any questions about your system or specific hardware feel free to PM me or put your thoughts into this thread.  I just wanted to get some early information out there for people to read based off my findings so far.

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  6. Avatar ImageKatrisa

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    Virtual-Venom said on February 15, 2014 :

    Can i either post my PC info here or PM them to you and ask some questions about what i can do to run on Ultra High. I ran it on Medium with no issues but High and Ultra High ran for me but with about 20ish FPS, graphics were stunning but didn’t have that crispness. Any help would be appreciated, Hallelujah!

    Feel free to PM me or post in this thread.  In the thread might be more insightful for others ;-)  But I would be happy to look over your specs and take a guess of what issue you might be encountering.

    I should note there is a HUGE difference between low settings and high in ESO.  I cannot understate how beautiful the game is on Ultra high, and how ho hum it is on Low.  The difference between high and ultra high isn’t as large (and is mostly just a change in view distance, ambient occlusion of shadows and transparencies, and water reflection quality).  With this said view distance has a significant CPU/GPU impact, but the more notable impact on GPU usage is in being able to support the higher models, shaders and effects in the first place.  Consequently most people will find themselves either stuck on very low (barely able to run the game, stuck on low/medium, or able to run high/ultra.

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  7. Avatar ImageRhogog

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    I’m currently running an i3 2120 dual core 3.3Ghz processor, 8gb of ddr3 ram, and a gtx 650 w/1gb of memory. I was able to run the game on high with no problems or hiccups, but i’m wondering what needs to change to be able to run the game on ultra with a decent fps.

  8. Avatar ImageKatrisa

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    Bosmer Dragonknight

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    Rhogog said on February 15, 2014 :

    I’m currently running an i3 2120 dual core 3.3Ghz processor, 8gb of ddr3 ram, and a gtx 650 w/1gb of memory. I was able to run the game on high with no problems or hiccups, but i’m wondering what needs to change to be able to run the game on ultra with a decent fps.

    So your CPU will have four threads with hyperthreading (but only two cores) is going to limit your performance probably 10-20% give or take.  A four core CPU will give you a boost but would probably not allow you to move up to ultra-high.  With this said I suspect your limit between high and ultra is primarily your video card.  I added a section in my post above from something I theorized earlier:

     I’m not positive though how the Nivdia or AMD video cards with 128-Bit memory interfaces are going to run ESO.  I’m expecting these modern ~$150 cards to run ESO at a healthy frame-rate on High.  My assumption is they are going to have some issues on ultra high due to the limited memory interface and lower memory bandwidth.  With this said they might have issues on High too and instead have to move down to Medium or Medium-High settings.

    So your report is verifying my theory, which is that a GeForce GTX 650 only has a 128 bit memory interface. and lacks the memory bandwidth to push ESO at ultra high.  With this said you only have a 1Gb model, so I’m not positive if the bottleneck is the memory (1Gb vs 2Gb) or the memory bandwidth 128 bit memory interface vs a higher interface.  Its probably a combination of the two.

    If you wanted to upgrade your PC Rhogog, I would personally look at upgrading your video card to something like a $250 the GeForce GTX 760 2GB, this like would fix your issues.  Note any lesser video card would probably not be worth the upgrade since you already have a gtx 650 w/1gb of memory.

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    I have to say that I was really impressed by ESO’s performance.

    Why? simple, I played the PvE part of the beta on high settings in a Dual Core E6600 2.4ghz (8 years old), 6gb of memory and a GTX 460.  Well, my GPU is doing all the hard work, with a big bottleneck but the results were awesome.

    For Cyrodiil (PvP) I used the low level settings. I can’t get 60 fps but is playable :). I will try to update my machine this year, battles on Cyrodiil on high settings with 100+ players on screen would be awesome.

    I really think that they did a gorgeous work. One of the best optimization works on a MMO in the last years.

     

    Great post Katrisa.

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    Awesome, I appreciate the info. Hopefully I can afford to pick up that card before the game launches. I don’t mean to derail your thread, but how exactly does one get into that line of work? Like what sort of degree would you need to get, and what the starting jobs in that field would be. I ask because i’m a college student not really sure what to major in, but I enjoy all things computer related.

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    Katrisa said on February 15, 2014 :

    … the crowd who are building $2000+ PCs with dual SLI and enough power to run the game on 3 different monitors at constant frame-rates over 100 fps (I somewhat jest, but there are people trying to do this kind of thing).

    Haha yes >.>

    Well, not right now, but maybe soon.  A quad core i7 4770k at 4.6ghz and a 780ti running a bit over 1ghz can maintain over 65fps at 1920×1080 (more typically 75-95 fps) with all graphical settings maxed.  Without further optimization  of the engine, I’m not sure if it’s possible to build a machine capable of 5760×1080 with 100fps on ultra.  I suspect at that resolution and ultra even 60 fps as a minimum is beyond reach currently.  3840 x 720 though could be workable for near 100 fps.  I would definitely be interested in your thoughts on where my system is currently bottlenecked and what kind of resolution is possible with 60+ fps.  My systems memory is 32gb at 2400mhz.

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    What do you think about a Mac? I am thinking of getting the 27″ iMac with the following specs:

     

    Hardware

    • 3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
    • 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM – 2X8GB
    • 1TB Fusion Drive
    • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5

    I am not sure if these translate on a 1:1 basis to a PC as far as performance is concerned. I want to run on ultra graphics with no performance issues whatsoever. Basically, when I’m in Cyrodiil with 200+ people on screen, I would like smooth gameplay with ultra graphics. Is this possible with such a system?

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    I’ll just chime in with an equivalent from the Mac side. I do have a top end iMac and upgraded graphics card but it gives some indication of what you may expect for a similar setup;

    System: iMac 27-inch, Late 2013/ 3.4 GHz Intel Core i5/ 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3/ NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB/ OS X 10.9.1

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB:
    Resolution: 2560 x 1440 (native resolution)
    Graphic Settings: Ultra High (Everything On except VSync Off)
    In Town (LOTS of people) 40-55 fps
    Solo Outdoors/General: 55-65 fps
    Dungeons (with 1-4 people): N/A

    In comparison playing the PC ESO beta client via Bootcamp with latest Nvidia beta drivers and same settings it was very similar. Some differences in graphic quality due to native OpenGL in the Mac and DX11 in PC but nothing large.

    32-bit v 64-bit Client

    One other thing that has not been discussed from what I have seen is the fact that both the PC & Mac ESO clients are 32-bit and will only be able to make use of the 4GB RAM/ address space limit that brings. Your point is well made though that additional RAM is not wasted as it allows for some overhead for the OS and any other apps running in the background.

    I understand why they went the 32-bit route with the ‘supporting 5 year old computers’ which is important for potential market. Still, I can’t help wondering if we could not have a 64-bit client, at least as an option as WoW has provided now for a few years; given that many computers have more than the 4GB recommended and it all helps performance wise.

    • This reply was modified 7 months ago by Avatar Image Moonraker.
  14. Avatar ImageKatrisa

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    Rhogog said on February 15, 2014 :

    I don’t mean to derail your thread, but how exactly does one get into that line of work? Like what sort of degree would you need to get, and what the starting jobs in that field would be. I ask because i’m a college student not really sure what to major in, but I enjoy all things computer related.

    I don’t mind, but I will keep the comment to the below.  If you want to know more than this feel free to PM me ;-)

    I study and received my BS in Computer Science.  As for hardware/software performance engineering specifically, I have always had a hobby of benchmarking PCs before starting college.  After I graduated I picked up a random job in observing hardware failure issues and their reports in the companies hardware monitoring software.  But ultimately I just “fell” into performance engineering afterward.  I ended up getting a really weird job offer where the company I current work for needed two people to fill two different jobs.  They could only fill them with a recent college graduate and I was one of the two candidates they were set on.  They literally had both managers in the room for both jobs, explained the jobs to me and then asked which job I wanted (LOL).  It was one of the weirdest and funniest interviews I’ve ever had.  I picked the job where they did the performance testing and have been in this area of expertise since.

    In terms of what I learned in college and before, it gave me the basic understandings of computing, programming, project management, and how to function with team members.  Ultimately for a college graduate employers will look at your internships (I recommend at least one, and preferably two internships for computer science jobs).  Also most employers will be looking for people who are willing to learn and adapt, in addition to the basic language requirements the job at had requires.  As a college graduate you will be hard pressed to get a job which requires x years of experience, and you will be somewhat limited to entry level computer jobs (but these vary greatly and offer all kinds of different opportunities).  Computer science is a great degree for a wide variety of jobs and its a field I really enjoy working in every day.

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  15. Avatar ImageVirtual Venom

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    Katrisa said on February 15, 2014 :

    Virtual-Venom said on February 15, 2014 :

    Can i either post my PC info here or PM them to you and ask some questions about what i can do to run on Ultra High. I ran it on Medium with no issues but High and Ultra High ran for me but with about 20ish FPS, graphics were stunning but didn’t have that crispness. Any help would be appreciated, Hallelujah!

    Feel free to PM me or post in this thread. In the thread might be more insightful for others But I would be happy to look over your specs and take a guess of what issue you might be encountering.

    I should note there is a HUGE difference between low settings and high in ESO. I cannot understate how beautiful the game is on Ultra high, and how ho hum it is on Low. The difference between high and ultra high isn’t as large (and is mostly just a change in view distance, ambient occlusion of shadows and transparencies, and water reflection quality). With this said view distance has a significant CPU/GPU impact, but the more notable impact on GPU usage is in being able to support the higher models, shaders and effects in the first place. Consequently most people will find themselves either stuck on very low (barely able to run the game, stuck on low/medium, or able to run high/ultra.

    Alright so here is my info if you would be so kind as to recommend upgrades that would allow me to mod my existing PC and run it on Ultra High.

    OS Name Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro

    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz, 3100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)

    Total Physical Memory 7.98 GB
    Available Physical Memory 5.72 GB
    Total Virtual Memory 16.0 GB
    Available Virtual Memory 13.3 GB
    Page File Space 8.00 GB

    Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by AMD
    Graphics Chipset AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series
    Graphics Bus Capability PCI Express 2.0
    Maximum Bus Setting PCI Express 2.0 x16
    Memory Size 1024 MB
    Memory Type GDDR5
    Core Clock in MHz 700 MHz
    Memory Clock in MHz 1000 MHz
    Total Memory Bandwidth in GByte/s 64.0 GByte/s

    I appreciate the help. I really want to make this gaming experience on ESO top of the line. This is the tower all my equipment currently sits in as well, so that if you recommend anything it will fit inside.

    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13344

    Also, do you need my PSU info? Thanks.

     

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    Mithron said on February 15, 2014 :

    What do you think about a Mac? I am thinking of getting the 27″ iMac with the following specs:

    Hardware

    3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
    16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM – 2X8GB
    1TB Fusion Drive
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5

    I will opt out of my thoughts on Mac!  So I say this for two reasons.  I have never operated a Mac with video games.  I am extremely familiar with UNIX and the underlying performance with server hardware, but not with Video.  Also the bigger issue with a Mac and any game is optimizations.  ESO currently is heavily optimized for ibm based PCs.  It is not optimized yet for the Mac and has many issues with low-mid Mac’s.  Many users are having to disable many of the higher settings in order to run appropriately.  Again this has less to do with hardware and more to do with ESO and optimizations.  With this said from my understanding they are working hard to bring Mac performance closer to its PC counterpart.

     

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    Mithron said on February 15, 2014 :

    What do you think about a Mac? I am thinking of getting the 27″ iMac with the following specs:

    Hardware

    • 3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
    • 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM – 2X8GB
    • 1TB Fusion Drive
    • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5

    I am not sure if these translate on a 1:1 basis to a PC as far as performance is concerned. I want to run on ultra graphics with no performance issues whatsoever. Basically, when I’m in Cyrodiil with 200+ people on screen, I would like smooth gameplay with ultra graphics. Is this possible with such a system?

    You will have no problems at all, save for Higher settings possibly in AvA in Cyrodiil which I have not tested yet. You may need to tweak the settings down a bit in large fights but still, with the native 2560 x 1440 you won’t miss much anyhow.

    I just posted funnily enough to this thread and also left a comment in the Mac thread in reply to another member who is getting the exact same iMac. Check it out here.

    My set up is almost identical to yours and it genuinely runs beautifully with ESO. In Bootcamp also with the PC client though with such a good native Mac port of ESO there will be no need for that route, though great for non-Mac games like Skyrim.

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    Lucky13 said on February 15, 2014 :

    3840 x 720 though could be workable for near 100 fps.  I would definitely be interested in your thoughts on where my system is currently bottlenecked and what kind of resolution is possible with 60+ fps.  My systems memory is 32gb at 2400mhz.

    Good question.  So I don’t have a multiple monitor setup and I haven’t done analysis of the effects of having a second or third monitor with ESO.  This is one of those areas where ESO’s system and their optimizations is going to have considerable effects on the results.  From your post I have no doubt you understand the issues at hand at the same level I do.  From my experience with other games and expanding the resolution in the past, you tend to take a smaller hit when expanding the resolution at some point.  But you also seem to hit a power cusp where expanding the resolution more and more lowers your framerate regardless of how much hardware you throw at the problem.  In beta we had reports of people running stable at 100+ FPS on dual SLI setups with i7 processors on some really large monitors.  So I suspect the first requirement for high frame-rates will be SLI setups (with sufficiently large video cards).  At the same time there will be a point where you will reach the practical limits of an i7 processor and expanding resolution.  But again I don’t have any setups where I tested these theories. So I can’t make a good guess for your question above ;-)

    With this said as far as your PC is concerned: A quad core i7 4770k at 4.6ghz and a 780ti running a bit over 1ghz.  For ESO and multi monitor concerns I would guess you would be benchmarked at your video card with the solution being SLI and an additional video card.  With this said SLI and video cards can sometimes result in unpredictable performance, but some people I chatted with were having some crazy high frame-rates with SLI being the key which raised them above others results.

     

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    Katrisa said on February 15, 2014 :

    Lucky13 said on February 15, 2014 :

    3840 x 720 though could be workable for near 100 fps. I would definitely be interested in your thoughts on where my system is currently bottlenecked and what kind of resolution is possible with 60+ fps. My systems memory is 32gb at 2400mhz.

    …In beta we had reports of people running stable at 100+ FPS on dual SLI setups with i7 processors on some really large monitors...

    Thanks for the information! Do you remember the monitor resolutions?  Was it a 2560×1440?