Duck's Magplar vMA Build (Homestead)

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    Duckbutta

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    Latin said on March 8, 2017 :

    Duckbutta said on March 8, 2017 :

    The resistances are odd in vMA. I don’t know which rounds off the top of my head are which, but there aresome rounds where the mobs have resist as low as 9k I believe, and others where they max out at 18.2k.

    @Jeckll worked out the values a while back, they can be found hidden in a spoiler under Section XI of his Stam NB thread (link below).

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/stamina-nightblade-pve-dps-for-homestead/

    Thank you!  I knew I had seen them posted somewhere but couldn’t remember where in this website.

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    Jeckll

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    Floliroy

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    Jeckll said on March 8, 2017 :

    Thx man :D

     

    EDIT : So the trash at 9.100 armor ?

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    Jeckll

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    Floliroy said on March 8, 2017 :

    Jeckll said on March 8, 2017 :

    Thx man

    EDIT : So the trash at 9.100 armor ?

    Nope, every trash type has individuel armor values.

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    Floliroy

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    Have tried a new setup and have done 572k score, btw not full stuff in gold.

    Will upload the run on YT soon

     

    Stuff (5/1/1 + Full Divines / Arcane for Jewelry + Full Magicka Enchant / SpellDmg for Jewelry) :

    -5*Julianos (2 Sharp Sword + 3 Armor Pieces // Enchant : SpellDmg + Lightning)

    -3*Moondancer (1 Jewelry + 2 Armor Pieces)

    -2*Grothdarr (2 Armor Pieces)

    -2*Willpower (2 Jewelry)

    -1*Mael Lightning Staff (Charged) ==> Maybe Lightning of Julianos with Lightning enchant better

     

    Skills :

    DW : Harness Magicka // Puncturing Sweep // Radiant // Ritual of Retribution // Inner Light // Shooting Star

    Destro : Wall of Elements // Ele Drain // Reflective Light // Chanelled Focus // Inner Light // Destro Ult

     

    I think i can make this better but i don’t know how for now …

    Maybe Julianos Staff with Lightning Enchant better… Maybe Slimecraw better than Grothdarr (on full mono it’s yes, but for the add don’t know) or maybe an Ilmabris… Maybe i need an Aedric skill on seconde bar…

    So if you have some advice let me konw :)

     

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    Floliroy said on March 8, 2017 :

    Have tried a new setup and have done 572k score, btw not full stuff in gold.

    Will upload the run on YT soon

    Stuff (5/1/1 + Full Divines / Arcane for Jewelry + Full Magicka Enchant / SpellDmg for Jewelry) :

    -5*Julianos (2 Sharp Sword + 3 Armor Pieces // Enchant : SpellDmg + Lightning)

    -3*Moondancer (1 Jewelry + 2 Armor Pieces)

    -2*Grothdarr (2 Armor Pieces)

    -2*Willpower (2 Jewelry)

    -1*Mael Lightning Staff (Charged) ==> Maybe Lightning of Julianos with Lightning enchant better

    Skills :

    DW : Harness Magicka // Puncturing Sweep // Radiant // Ritual of Retribution // Inner Light //Shooting Star

    Destro : Wall of Elements // Ele Drain // Reflective Light // Chanelled Focus // Inner Light // Destro Ult

    I think i can make this better but i don’t know how for now …

    Maybe Julianos Staff with Lightning Enchant better… Maybe Slimecraw better than Grothdarr (on full mono it’s yes, but for the add don’t know) or maybe an Ilmabris… Maybe i need an Aedric skill on seconde bar…

    So if you have some advice let me konw

    I like your set up a lot, going with a lightning staff is probably the right move, unfortunately a sharp vMA lightning staff is the one weapon I still need from in there.  I would recommend crafting up a sharp lightning staff for now, as sharp non-vMA > non-sharp vMA, since sharp is such an OP trait. Instead of Lightning Enchant, go for Spell Dmg enchant.  Although very rare, a Sharp MD Lightning Staff would be great too.  Also, instead of WP, I would do 2 Torug’s Pact Swords since Spell Power > Max Mag, and run 3 MD Jewelry and 5 Julianos body.

    Our bars are similar, except that you have Ritual of Ret whereas I have Repetence – I would give the latter a try, as you don’t really need the HoT with Jabs and Harness, and the DoT contribution is minimal as you’re going for max burst dmg anyways.

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    Floliroy

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    Duckbutta said on March 9, 2017 :

    I like your set up a lot, going with a lightning staff is probably the right move, unfortunately a sharp vMA lightning staff is the one weapon I still need from in there. I would recommend crafting up a sharp lightning staff for now, as sharp non-vMA > non-sharp vMA, sincesharp is such an OP trait. Instead of Lightning Enchant, go for Spell Dmg enchant. Although very rare, a Sharp MD Lightning Staff would be great too. Also, instead of WP, I would do 2 Torug’s Pact Swords sinceSpell Power > Max Mag, and run 3 MD Jewelry and 5 Julianos body.

    Our bars are similar, except that you have Ritual of Ret whereas I have Repetence – I would give the latter a try, as you don’t really need the HoT with Jabs and Harness, and the DoT contribution is minimal asyou’re going for max burst dmg anyways.

    For the charged trait i think we need it on offbar, have tried Mael Charged was around 30% up of Vulnerabilty (+8% dps) + Exploitor (+10% dps) and Julianos Charged + Lightning enchant 80% up… So up of dmg :)

    Btw Sharp > Charged obviously but we’re like 2 second on offbar so maybe charged better for proc Vulnerabilty + Expoitor

    For WP / Torug don’t really know i based my self on aprroximation :

    -40 spell dmg ~ +1% dps

    -400 magicka ~ +1% dps

    But yeah now maybe spell dmg > magicka ^^

    If i want to up i need to go back for Altmer (+dmg on light and more recovery) , but for raid will do less dmg than my dunmer ^^

    HAve you tried slimecraw? or ilambris ?

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    Floliroy said on March 9, 2017 :

    Duckbutta said on March 9, 2017 :

    I like your set up a lot, going with a lightning staff is probably the right move, unfortunately a sharp vMA lightning staff is the one weapon I still need from in there. I would recommend crafting up a sharp lightning staff for now, as sharp non-vMA > non-sharp vMA, sincesharp is such an OP trait. Instead of Lightning Enchant, go for Spell Dmg enchant. Although very rare, a Sharp MD Lightning Staff would be great too. Also, instead of WP, I would do 2 Torug’s Pact Swords sinceSpell Power > Max Mag, and run 3 MD Jewelry and 5 Julianos body.

    Our bars are similar, except that you have Ritual of Ret whereas I have Repetence – I would give the latter a try, as you don’t really need the HoT with Jabs and Harness, and the DoT contribution is minimal asyou’re going for max burst dmg anyways.

    For the charged trait i think we need it on offbar, have tried Mael Charged was around 30% up of Vulnerabilty (+8% dps) + Exploitor (+10% dps) and Julianos Charged + Lightning enchant 80% up… So up of dmg

    Btw Sharp > Charged obviously but we’re like 2 second on offbar so maybe charged better for proc Vulnerabilty + Expoitor

    For WP / Torug don’t really know i based my self on aprroximation :

    -40 spell dmg ~ +1% dps

    -400 magicka ~ +1% dps

    But yeah now maybe spell dmg > magicka ^^

    If i want to up i need to go back for Altmer (+dmg on light and more recovery) , but for raid will do less dmg than my dunmer ^^

    HAve you tried slimecraw? or ilambris ?

    For stats, the equivalencies are roughly 10 mag: 1 spell dmg, so you can compare sets from there.  I haven’t tried slime craw, but the AoE dmg on Grothdarr is too good to pass up I feel.  Ilambris wouldn’t be good at all, as a ground dot too many adds and bosses would move out of it, and given my set up, I wouldn’t have any way to proc it off lightning dmg.

    I’d be curious to know what your vulnerability uptime is on bosses, for adds it doesn’t matter since they die so fast anyways, you just want burst, and sharp is king there.  If you could have significant vulnerability uptime, you might be able to justify charged, but I don’t think as 1 person your uptime is going to be that high at all, and sharp is such an OP trait.

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    Yummy

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    Hi, Duck! I looove the new build. It makes very smart use of all Slots and it is for sure very very powerful, like I like it :) Haven’t tried it yet because I am still traumatised by that place (that final Boss), but I think I have all the pieces and will boldly go in the Arena with it. Thank you!

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    In your discussion here about max mag vs spell dmg i recon especially in vma the max mag is alot more effecient npt only does it get increased by racial passive assuming breton highelf dunmer, it also gets buffed by mages guild line and undaunted passives not to mention the sustain aswell, regards to slime craw vs grothdar, imho aslong as your not vamp the slimecraw not only helps with survivability but the 8% is always active making all rounda in vma smoother, not to mention the grothdar proc you gotta watch out on in round 7 aswell where the boss round the bubbler can die from it causing you to insta wipe,

     

    I’ve also been messing around with this set up recently and been getting alot smoother runs

    3x jewellery infallible 2x armor

    3x julianos armor 2 x sword

    Vma or juliannos Lightning stave any trait

    2x slime craw

     

    This set up is amazing i also took out ele drain for blazing spear and ill drop that right before any portal spawn with wall of element any of the mobs die if not just channel stave and dead i also channel stave for destro passive mag regen so it somewhat replaces ele drain.

    Imho in boss fights channeling 1 heavy even on dw bar increases my burst aslong as all my dots are up also ensures my sword enchants procced, dont need to keep up 100% of time because wall will also make the debuff. Easy to assemble set up give it a try.

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    Hi Duck,

    quick question regarding enchants on weapons (dont have vMA staff yet).

    For DW – its spell dmg and fire dmg? For lightning staff its lightning dmg enchant? thanks

    Also, do you think Reflective light or vampires bane is better?

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    odeonas said on March 21, 2017 :

    Hi Duck,

    quick question regarding enchants on weapons (dont have vMA staff yet).

    For DW – its spell dmg and fire dmg? For lightning staff its lightning dmg enchant? thanks

    Also, do you think Reflective light or vampires bane is better?

    Fire and spell dmg are good for your swords.  On back bar, I am running a vMA inferno staff, if you want to run a lightning staff, it depends.  If you are going to for off-balance procs, then yes lightning dmg is the way to go.  I’m not convinced, however, that with just one person you get significant off-balance uptime, the enchant gives you a 20% chance to proc off-balance, and lightning WoE only gives about 2% chance I think (or some very low chance).  In vMA the fastest times are achieved through burst dmg, so I would aim for that instead.

    Choochie said on March 20, 2017 :

    In your discussion here about max mag vs spell dmg i recon especially in vma the max mag is alot more effecient npt only does it get increased by racial passive assuming breton highelf dunmer, it also gets buffed by mages guild line and undaunted passives not to mention the sustain aswell, regards to slime craw vs grothdar, imho aslong as your not vamp the slimecraw not only helps with survivability but the 8% is always active making all rounda in vma smoother, not to mention the grothdar proc you gotta watch out on in round 7 aswell where the boss round the bubbler can die from it causing you to insta wipe,

    I’ve also been messing around with this set up recently and been getting alot smoother runs

    3x jewellery infallible 2x armor

    3x julianos armor 2 x sword

    Vma or juliannos Lightning stave any trait

    2x slime craw

    This set up is amazing i also took out ele drain for blazing spear and ill drop that right before any portal spawn with wall of element any of the mobs die if not just channel stave and dead i also channel stave for destro passive mag regen so it somewhat replaces ele drain.

    Imho in boss fights channeling 1 heavy even on dw bar increases my burst aslong as all my dots are up also ensures my sword enchants procced, dont need to keep up 100% of time because wall will also make the debuff. Easy to assemble set up give it a try.

    Spell dmg will still come out on top of max mag for raw dmg, you can maybe make an argument that your sustain would be a little better with max mag, but I rarely have sustain problems in the arena, if I do I just HA once or twice and that’s enough to hold me over until my next pot.  I imagine Slimecraw isn’t bad in there, but Grothdarr is AoE and it’s fire dmg which increases BSW uptime, which is huge.  And yes, you do have to be a bit careful in rd. 7, I’ve only gotten screwed by it once in there, I’m at the point where I consistently only get one bubble phase and I usually don’t have any problems with the proc, if needed you could swap out the set with Dressing Room/Alpha Tools on that round if you’re really worried about it.

     

    If I really did want to optimize, I would probably swap out ele drain on rounds where bosses have low resistances for spears, eclipse, or something else.  I keep ele drain though because 1) it’s easier that way without worrying about swapping, and 2) even when I’m pen capped, I’ll sometimes start a fight with ele drain anyways just to help with sustain a bit, especially if it’s a bit of a longer fight and I think I could run into sustain issues.

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    If u see that Grothdarr is about to kill the add in round 7, just interupt the boss with a bash.

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    Jovke said on April 2, 2017 :

    If u see that Grothdarr is about to kill the add in round 7, just interupt the boss with a bash.

    I don’t know what you mean here. 1) You can’t step outside the bubble or you immediately die 2) The point of the mechanic is to NOT interrupt the boss or he becomes enraged.

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    Duckbutta said on February 22, 2017 :

    Arvebrink said on February 22, 2017 :

    Hey Duck!

    Just wanted to say i finallly completed vMA with your help! Didn’t follow your gearsetup but you have been a great help in everything else!

    -Arvebrink

    I’m glad to hear it, and congrats! Happy to hear that you found my guide useful, may RNG be on your side for future clears!

    I finally got my flawless yesterday with this build Duck, much appreciated again <3

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    Arvebrink said on April 4, 2017 :

    Duckbutta said on February 22, 2017 :

    I’m glad to hear it, and congrats! Happy to hear that you found my guide useful, may RNG be on your side for future clears!

    I finally got my flawless yesterday with this build Duck, much appreciated again <3

    That’s really great to hear, congrats!!  May RNGesus bring you much loot!

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    qcx2987

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    I just noticed on the BBS that they have a automatic skill point rest on all builds, please advise any changes to our current build, it would be better it included any proposed changes for mindmorrow as well.

     

    tks in advance

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