BSW vs Necro. Daedric Prey vs Haunting Curse for Vet Trials

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    Notsobutter

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    Hello,

    I recently returned to ESO after taking a 2-3 month break and am looking for advice on builds I have been testing and am having a difficult time deciding between the two. I main a MagSorc have beat VMOL numerous times and do a lot of research off forums posts regarding builds and it seems fairly unanimous that BSW is currently BIS

    However after reading several posts involving Necropotence set I grinded out a divines set and golded out to test out. I have noticed my damage test numbers are generally higher when running Necro over BSW. 35k self buffed no craglorn buff full burn on 6mil dummy with only ele drain applied. Compared to 29k with BSW.

    Gear setup for Necro is:

    2 Illambris Divines (Medium&Heavy), 5 Necro Divines, 3 Infallible Aether Gold Jewelry (Spell damage enchant), 1 Sharpened Infallible Lightning staff (Front Bar), 1 Sharpened Maelstrom Lightning Staff (Back Bar)

    Front Bar- Force Pulse, Daedric Prey, Frags, Inner Light, Volatile Familiar. Ult: Shooting Star

    Back Bar- Mages Wrath, Liquid Lightning, Blockade of Lightning, Rearming Trap, Volatile Familar. Ult: Lightning Rage

    Gear Setup for BSW is:

    2 Illambris (same as above), 5 Divines BSW Divines, 3 Infall Jewelry (same as above), 1 Sharpened Infall Lightning staff (front bar), 1 Sharpened Inferno Maelstrom Staff (back bar)

    Front Bar: Force Pulse, Mages Wrath, Frags, Inner Light, Volatile Familiar Ult: Shooting Star

    Back Bar: Haunting Curse, Liquid lightning, Blockade of Fire, Rearming Trap, Volatile Familiar. Ult: Fiery Rage

     

    I have tested further between variations of Necro by running Daedric Prey and Haunting Curse. I have always received high damage test numbers running Prey compared to Haunting Curse. However I will likely stick with Haunting because Necro can’t be used for all fights and want to be able to switch to BSW without gimping my damage.

    I really would appreciate any advice or opinions of anyone who has tested and compared Necro to BSW and Haunting Curse to Daedric Prey. Thank you for reading sorry if the post has errors in it I’m currently at work.

     

     

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    FrancisCrawford

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    For the build in which you have 1 inferno and 1 lightning staff, why aren’t you concentrating your single-target spells on the inferno bar?

    Similarly — if the ultimate you actually use is Rage, wouldn’t it go better on the lightning bar?

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    Notsobutter

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    The reason I don’t slot single target on the flame staff for that build is I run Burning Spellweave and the uptime on proc is terrible if I’m running lightning blockade rather than fire.

    I’m going to try double inferno staff with BSW in damage test when I get home from work and see what I get. I don’t have a infallible inferno staff but I do have two sharpened maelstrom infernos I could use until I get an infallible one

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    FrancisCrawford

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    Notsobutter said on March 13, 2017 :

    The reason I don’t slot single target on the flame staff for that build is I run Burning Spellweave and the uptime on proc is terrible if I’m running lightning blockade rather than fire.

    I’m going to try double inferno staff with BSW in damage test when I get home from work and see what I get. I don’t have a infallible inferno staff but I do have two sharpened maelstrom infernos I could use until I get an infallible one

    And there’s also a question of how much better inferno is over lightning when you’re casting single-target skills anyway, given that you also have AoE skills ticking at the same time.

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    Lexifer452

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    I’m not sure I have any advice for you on this but I felt the need to respond. I have been playing a magicka sorc more often than my other characters, all magicka dps, and have used similar item set combos. In fact, the necropotence pet build got me my first three vma clears the past two weeks. Its worth mentioning that it made vet maelstrom considerably easier and less rage-inducing than previous attempts, both on bis sorc builds and my other magicka characters.

     

    For my sorcerer I usually run five julianos with either five necropotence (for pet-based, magicka stacking for damage shields build) or with burning spellweave, at least until recently. At this moment I’m running five julianos with five infallible tether, thanks to a few very recent trials runs that finally got me a useable infall setup. Some of the infallible pieces are not ideally trained but it hasn’t made much difference so far. I’m currently working on farming more burning spellweave so I can try both BSW and infallible at once. (Need bsw legs to do so though). Once I have what I need I anticipate excellent results for endgame solo and group situations.

     

    In my experience, while burning spellweave is absolutely amazing on pretty much every magicka dps class, I like it less on my sorcerer. Mainly because it requires me to run blockade on my inferno bar instead of where it belongs, on my shock staff bar. There aren’t many other viable options for consistent proc’ing of bsw other than elemental blockade on a sorc and I just feel blockade works much better as lightning damage for setting enemies off balance before FHA lightning staff attacks. You seem to feel the same about this point.

     

    Have you tried running burning spellweave five piece with necropotence five piece? I realize you would still need to slot blockade on you inferno bar but, even so, the results might be incredible. Assuming a minimum 50% uptime it might be pretty effective.

     

    As to haunting curse versus daedric prey. I’ve recently started trying out daedric ore with the Necro pet build and am liking it so far. The familiar pulse does seem to hit considerably harder but I find myself casting it almost twice as often as I needed to cast haunting curse. I might be overdoing it but I’m ñt certain it outperforms haunting curse, even with necropotence and slotting pets. I would assume daedric prey is better if pets are your main source of damage but I could be wrong, and that’s not especially believable. Personally, I like haunting curse better. Hits twice and, especially on crib, it hits twice like a freaking truck. Its also nice that the bomb can now go off even if the enemy affected dies before it goes off. Definitely liked that change in the last update. All that said, I dœ’t think you’d be losing out on enough damage to make a difference if you used haunting curse over daedric prey, even while using necropotence. The extra pulse damage is nice but is by no means must-have.

     

    I’d be curious to hear the results of running both necropotence and burning spellweave and now that I think about may just have to try it out myself. Rotations could be messy though. You probably don’t want to lose minor slayer, I know I won’t now that I’ve been using it, if you can help it but it might be worth trying out. Burning spellweave does seem to be the hands-down BiS item set for magicka dps currently. While I do love it, I like it a lot better on my magicka dk and þink five piece infallible works better than bsw on my magsorc. If only sorcs had a flame damage class skill so we wouldn’t have to part with such a big part of our aoe damage. In fact, given the choice i’d probably run lightning blockade over liquid lightning if I had to choose only one. Have thought about using the rune ability from mage’s guild but don’t really like it due to its cost versus damage. Don’t really have room for it on my bar setups either. Already double slotting inner light, bound aegis and familiar (at least when necropotence is equipped) leaving precious space for anything else I need to run.

     

    Sorry for the rambling but I hope some of it might be of use to you. Even though I’m not actually certain I answered either of your questions. Lol. Take it easy and good luck with your build-making.

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    Bamafan30

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    Necro>bsw but it is situational, gi with haunting curse because youre not always going to be able to use a pet for vet trials. Same goes with bsw atleast have it ready for use because you can not use pets in every situation.

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    Notsobutter

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    Don’t worry about rambling I find myself doing it often as well when I post on here.

    I have had more time to test and compare the builds and gear differences and have a better idea of what does what.

    I have found that Haunting Curse is definitely the way to go for trials because of the fact that you can’t run pet on every boss. Also and just as important if you play on console like I do we do not have buff/debuff timers. I’ve found that if you use Curse/LA/LiquidLightning/LA/Blockade rotation by the time your second Curse goes off it is almost exactly the time LL and Blockade will run out so it gives you a good way of timing your abilities out without timers.

    On another note I’ve been testing the gear sets and builds against the 3mil health dummy and applying my own ekemental drain. The numbers I have gotten are

    5 Necropotence, infallible lightning staff/maelstrom lightning staff, 2 illambris, 3 infal jewelry = 38.9k DPS

    5 BSW, infallible lightning staff/maelstrom inferno staff, 2 illambris, 3 infallible jewelryWith Volatile Familar and No Bound Aegis = 35.2k DPS

    Than I tested the same BSW setup with No Familar but with Bound Aegis = 31.5k DPS

     

     

     

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    Aumann

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    Necro IS stronger than BSW at the moment with the pet. Unfortunately it’s not good in every fight.

    Daedric prey costs more magicka and makes the rotation less optimal for virtually no dps gain over haunted curse.

    So what i do is: Use haunted curse and swap between BSW/necro at will. Swapping it out in fights where the pet is not viable. Anywhere else i use necropotence.

    The best rotation i found for haunted curse is:
    Curse -> LL -> blockade -> spells x7 (pulse, shards, eventually pet and/or trap)
    LL -> Blockade -> Curse -> spellsX7
    LL -> Blockade -> spells x6
    Repeat.

    Why? Because with Yolo’s rotation you lose some seconds uptime on the dots, because the curse runs out later. With this rotation you have 100% dot uptime and only lose 2 seconds on the curse. Which is better and is a DPS increase of about 1-1,5k

    At the moment i just activate pet after i barswap to frontbar but i haven’t had time yet to work out the optimal placement.

    One thing though, you absolutely still want the inferno staff on backbar, even with necropotence because of the increased damage and the ilambri proc. We have found that not running inferno backbar lowers the proc rate of your fire ilambri considerably.
    On a dummy, the lightning wall will deal more dps because of the off balance debuff, but in a trial this will already be applied by healers. So inferno blockade is still the way to go.

    And to Lexifer: Your theorycrafting is off by quite a bit, using infal is not very good as one of the healers will already be applying the debuff. Also, running 2 5 piece sets is also suboptimal as the Ilambri proc + 5% damage increase + VMA staff buffs will outperform any second set. Same for lightning wall, someone else will set the target off balance so the blockade of fire is better.

    There’s no other skill that can proc BSW as much as blockade does, so there is no other option. But even without BSW, it’s still better than lightning wall as it boosts you damage to burned targets and if you have a magdk in your group it’s even better.

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