Nos's "Aoe King" Stam Sorc build (HotR DLC ready)

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    Ased-07

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    Hi Nosferatuzod,

     

    I have some questions ! :) why don’t use maelstrom weapons in the new build ? 2piece of kragh it’s better than 2 maelstrom daggers? and infused weapon ( with enchant weapon damage) it’s better than the precise trait ( even in raid)? Have you lost in dps since morrowind? :)

    Thank you in advance for you answer !

     

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    Ased-07 said on May 27, 2017 :

    Hi Nosferatuzod,

    I have some questions ! why don’t use maelstrom weapons in the new build ? 2piece of kragh it’s better than 2 maelstrom daggers? and infused weapon ( with enchant weapon damage) it’s better than the precise trait ( even in raid)? Have you lost in dps since morrowind?

    Thank you in advance for you answer !

    Ased

    I tested vMA weapons with this same rotation and I got lower DPS…the combination of sustain gain and poision enchant really make this build shine…

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    ok thank for your answer ! :) I need to test again because for the moment  i’m higher with vma but i don’t have exactly the same setup so the test can’t be perfect ! :) thx !

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    Ased-07 said on May 27, 2017 :

    ok thank for your answer ! I need to test again because for the momenti’m higher with vma but i don’t have exactly the same setup so the test can’t be perfect ! thx !

    What are you getting with vMA? Cause I have BiS vMA and i never got higher than 41. I used axe and dagger. With the setup listed her im getting just under 41, but I dont have an axe so im missing quite a bit of doa from there as well as having TFS om the weapon means im losing TFS uptime. I think if I had 5 TFS on the body and an axe I would be 43k+ ez. Also with this setup sustain is not an issue at all.

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    Without Major fracture( i’m often solo) my records it’s at 41k dps ( but a bit too lucky on the bleed of my axes)  but i turn around 38-39k dps always without major fracture. I have 2 axes ( it’s a loss of dps ) because i don’t have a sharpened dagger :/ and i m CP 578 so my test can’t be perfect. I’m doing some test with VO weapons but at this moment i can’t be higher . i can send you my screen if you need more information.( sorry for my english )

    edit:  i test without krag’h but with 5 vo + 5 TFS + 2 maelstrom and i m higher than 5 vo+ 5 tfs +2 kragh. Can you test with 2 maelstrom vs 2 kragh? to see if it’s just me. ( i think that my tests are not yet accurate enough)

     

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    Ased-07 said on May 27, 2017 :

    Without Major fracture( i’m often solo) my records it’s at 41k dps ( but a bit too lucky on the bleed of my axes) but i turn around 38-39k dps always without major fracture. I have 2 axes ( it’s a loss of dps ) because i don’t have a sharpened dagger :/ and i m CP 578 so my test can’t be perfect. I’m doing some test with VO weapons but at this moment i can’t be higher . i can send you my screen if you need more information.( sorry for my english )

    edit: i test without krag’h but with 5 vo + 5 TFS + 2 maelstrom and i m higher than 5 vo+ 5 tfs +2 kragh. Can you test with 2 maelstrom vs 2 kragh? to see if it’s just me. ( i think that my tests are not yetaccurate enough)

    Losing kragh was a huge dps loss for me…

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    Ased-07 said on May 27, 2017 :

    Without Major fracture( i’m often solo) my records it’s at 41k dps ( but a bit too lucky on the bleed of my axes) but i turn around 38-39k dps always without major fracture. I have 2 axes ( it’s a loss of dps ) because i don’t have a sharpened dagger :/ and i m CP 578 so my test can’t be perfect. I’m doing some test with VO weapons but at this moment i can’t be higher . i can send you my screen if you need more information.( sorry for my english )

    edit: i test without krag’h but with 5 vo + 5 TFS + 2 maelstrom and i m higher than 5 vo+ 5 tfs +2 kragh. Can you test with 2 maelstrom vs 2 kragh? to see if it’s just me. ( i think that my tests are not yetaccurate enough)

    If you send me a screenshot it would help immensely…a video would be even better if you could:)

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    ok i send you that ! :)

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    After more tests , for the kragh vs maelstrom, kragh is better yes :) !

    (sorry double post)

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    Ased-07 said on May 27, 2017 :

    After more tests , for the kragh vs maelstrom, kragh is better yes !

    (sorry double post)

    :) kragh usually does around 4.4% of my dps plus its 3.8% dps from the penentration bonus, meaning it is a total of around 8.2% dps.

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    Hmmm… You’re using Rapid Strikes twice in the rotation… Why not use the vMA weapons at this point? 2k weapon damage on 3 DoTs vs the Infused enchant DPS and 8% cost reduction on the front bar. The testing that @Asmael and I have done, when I suggested the vMA weapons he hit 40k on the robust dummy with that setup while testing the Camoran Throne drink and that was with Agility cause Minor Slayer was bugged. With food, you can expect higher DPS for sure. I’m going to try to find the parse real quick.

    Also, Infused main hand is pretty nice, but I think that Sharp is still a better choice due to the fact that with Infused your penetration is different on the 2 bars. That means that on the Bow bar, you’re severely over-penetrating. And Sharp also allows you to ditch Kra’gh and use Velidreth or Stormfist for AoE, which kinda fits better with the theme of “AoE King” ya know ;) Stormfist is really nice in that it offers recovery as the 1pc while putting out the same DPS and AoE potential than Veli. Plus it looks cooler.

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    IzakiBrotherSs said on June 3, 2017 :

    Hmmm… You’re using Rapid Strikes twice in the rotation… Why not use the vMA weapons at this point? 2k weapon damage on 3 DoTs vs the Infused enchant DPS and 8% cost reduction on the front bar. The testing that@Asmael and I have done, when I suggested the vMA weapons he hit 40k on the robust dummy with that setup while testing the Camoran Throne drink and that was with Agility cause Minor Slayer was bugged. With food, you can expect higher DPS for sure. I’m going to try to find the parse real quick.

    Also, Infused main hand is pretty nice, but I think that Sharp is still a better choice due to the fact that with Infused your penetration is different on the 2 bars. That means that on the Bow bar, you’re severely over-penetrating. And Sharp also allows you to ditch Kra’gh and use Velidreth or Stormfist for AoE, which kinda fits better with the theme of “AoE King” ya know Stormfist is really nice in that it offers recovery as the 1pc while putting out the same DPS and AoE potential than Veli. Plus it looks cooler.

    1. Every time i test with vMA I get worse results, and it makes sense. VMA weps add 2k wep damage to ST DoTs. On a sorc those DoTs amount to around 20% dps. 2k wep damage added to 20% of your damage is akin to 400 wep damage added to 100% of your dps. On top of that each weapon adds 94 wep damage, for a grand total of 94 x 2 + 400 = 588 wep damage before buffs.

    Comparing that with the bonuses we get from the laat 2 pieces of VO we can see why 5 VO is better.

    Last two pieces of VO add 3.14% crit and 129 weapon damage. In addition we get to enchant one of the weapons with a weapon damage enchant which yields around 174 weapon damage aince it has around 50% uptime. Finally we also get a poison damage enchant on an infused weapon which averages between 5.5 and 5.8% dps for me (over 2k).

    So to telly up: 3.14% crit, 174+129=303 wep damage and 5.5%+ dps from a poison enchant (i am not even mentuoning sustain at this point). 588 – 303 = 285 wep damage. So you tell me, what will do more damage 285 wep damage or max crit and 5.5%+ of your dps?

    With 5 VO you will eat less shards and heavy attack less giving you even more damage, so I dont really see how you could get more damage with vMA.

     

    2. As far as sharpened goes. The diminishing returns on CP means that allocating extra CP into penetration is not as punishing as it was last patch and is more beneficial than investing those points into CP. As you can see I already have quite a bit of points into Mighty and Thaum, any additional points wont be worth the gain you get from infused on a weapon. As far as Kragh VS Veli VS Stormfist. After testing all three I found that Kragh gave me the highest single target damage. Whike AoE King is indeed the name of the build, I still focua on maximizing single target damage first.

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    Im hitting 36.8 with no puncture and using max stat food and I dont have an axe, so im using two daggers. This build does 38k with no puncture in skele if you have an axe.

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    Sry for my noob question as im not very knowlegable with stamina classes but is 2h ahead in damage single target than dw or not. And is the gap large.

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    kinettic29 said on July 17, 2017 :

    Sry for my noob question as im not very knowlegable with stamina classes but is 2h ahead in damage single target than dw or not. And is the gap large.

    Not even close

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    What about Sunderflame + TFS + velidreth ? On StamSorc with heavy attack and without rapid strikes ?

    Kragh only if tank does not use Alkosh.

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    Patouf said on August 12, 2017 :

    What about Sunderflame + TFS + velidreth ? On StamSorc with heavy attack and without rapid strikes ?

    Kragh only if tank does not use Alkosh.

    Ill be updating the builds next week its gonna be crazy good:))

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    (Nice to hear <3)

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    Nosferatuzod said on August 12, 2017 :

    Ill be updating the builds next week its gonna be crazy good:))

    I’m really looking forward to the update as my dps dropped off quite a bit after this last update.

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    ookami007 said on August 15, 2017 :

    Nosferatuzod said on August 12, 2017 :

    Ill be updating the builds next week its gonna be crazy good:))

    I’m really looking forward to the update as my dps dropped off quite a bit after this last update.

    Yeah gear sets will be entirely dependent on group composition. My group is running 4 stam this patch so Ill be optimizing for that, however I will have gear guides for solo stam in raids as well.

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